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#142438 - 08/01/08 03:27 AM Re: Preparedness article in NY Times [Re: ironraven]
wildman800 Offline
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If I was her, living in Massachusetts, I would have forgotten to mention that particular part of preparations.
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#142456 - 08/01/08 05:57 AM Re: Preparedness article in NY Times [Re: Todd W]
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Any of the long term preparedness crowd among us read this book? And what did you think of it?
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#142459 - 08/01/08 09:55 AM Re: Preparedness article in NY Times [Re: GameOver]
CentralOklahoma Offline
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Cool article.

I think it is interesting how people ADVERTISE that they have made alot of preps, have children, and in no way could care less REALLY what happens to their own children as they are not prepared to protect themselves from the wolf's in society.

If you can not protect yourself, you can not protect your children.

Freaking SHEEP.


Edited by CentralOklahoma (08/01/08 09:56 AM)
Edit Reason: Cant spell. Dang Oklahoma!!

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#142466 - 08/01/08 11:56 AM Re: Preparedness article in NY Times [Re: GameOver]
GameOver Offline
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I saw the part of the article mentioning firearms and knew it would result in some comments.

I personally think there is some good lessons here. I would rather work with my neighbors now to discuss preparation than have to keep them off my property with threat of violence later.

Now, situations vary, some folks probably don't have neighbors they want to talk to, let alone trust in a crisis. Plus if you are worried about roving bands of refugees that is another consideration.

So, Mrs. Harrison has worked with her community, "formed a group with some neighbors to promote self-reliance & trade tips and equipment."

I'm not saying that we shouldn't account for self defense as a personal choice. Seems to me the community aspect of preparedness is discussed less than what caliber of bullet to stockpile. Balance in all things.

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#142469 - 08/01/08 12:35 PM Re: Preparedness article in NY Times [Re: GameOver]
Russ Offline
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Community is key to long term survival. Some members of society carry one load, others carry another. Mrs. Harrison has worked with her community and they know what she has and there are probably members who have much of the same but maybe use Mrs. Harrison's grinder. These others are probably set up to handle interlopers so that those who shun guns don't need to deal with it, nothing is said about teh preps of others in her community. Just because Kathy Harris doesn't own a gun doesn't mean she is an easy target.

Then again, misdirection is always a possibility. It's hard for me to imagine a group that has plans to be very self-sufficient in a crisis not being prepared to deal with the wolves in society at large.
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#142470 - 08/01/08 12:47 PM Re: Preparedness article in NY Times [Re: GameOver]
Dan_McI Offline
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Registered: 12/10/07
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Originally Posted By: GameOver
So, Mrs. Harrison has worked with her community, "formed a group with some neighbors to promote self-reliance & trade tips and equipment."

I'm not saying that we shouldn't account for self defense as a personal choice. Seems to me the community aspect of preparedness is discussed less than what caliber of bullet to stockpile. Balance in all things.



Absolutely.

I think self-defense should in many cases be part of ppreparedness, along with the realization that avoiding threats and altercations is in most cases wiser than trying to win them.

Self-defense can be something that you do within a community, so long as you have decent relationships and a community that can agree on things it cna do to defend itself. In the everyday run of the mill course of events, a community that looks out for its own (that is out and about in the neighborhood, that keeps its eyes on each other's property and welfare, that will help to protect the property and welfare of the members of the community) is probably a safer and, therefore, in some sense a more prepared community.

Of course, in some communities you could be accused of snitching.

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#142477 - 08/01/08 01:21 PM Re: Preparedness article in NY Times [Re: Todd W]
samhain Offline
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Originally Posted By: ToddW
Originally Posted By: ironraven
While she showed more than most of us might have, I want you to seriously wonder if she would have been open enough to show off a couple of shotguns, a .22, few pistols, and a few thousand rounds of ammunition.

Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.


Good point.

She also could have mentioned guns and was mis quoted for the point of the article.

She probably told the reporter she doesn't have a gun and want to shoot anyone... that's what her neighbors are for wink


I was thinking something similar.

Knuckle-heads are more likely to break into the house to steal guns than sugar/powdered milk...

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#142492 - 08/01/08 04:00 PM Re: Preparedness article in NY Times [Re: GameOver]
benjammin Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
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Call me cynnial, or maybe I've just watched too many reruns of certain Twilight Zone episodes, but it's been my experience that most folks in a community nowadays cannot be trusted to serve the common good. When I look at the sort of people I have living in and around me, and I've lived in several different neighborhoods across the country in the past 6 years, there's no way I am going to ever rely on them to cover my back in a crisis. At best, I consider them to be opportunists, who will waste no time in pilfering my stocks without permission if they think there's little enough chance I might do something about it.

It may be true that no man is an island, but as far as I am concerned, my little chunk of real estate will be scorched earth before I let anyone else infiltrate, no matter how distressed they may appear. The less they know of what I have and am capable of, the better it will be for everyone.

It may be a cold, self defeating mindset I have, but at least I know what to expect this way, and I can better plan accordingly. Leaving any portion of my welfare up to the goodwill of others is just asking to be sorely disappointed. This is not to say I won't extend a helping hand if I truly feel it is warranted, and the recipient deserving, but it will be on my terms and conditions that I do so, to the extent I am allowed by law.

This whole idea of baling other folks out of their most often self-imposed misery using coerced collection from those who've made the effort to take care of themselves galls me, as it did our forefathers. Charity needs to be voluntary, or it isn't charity, but social redistribution of wealth.
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#142511 - 08/01/08 05:18 PM Re: Preparedness article in NY Times [Re: TheSock]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
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Loc: W. WA
"Any of the long term preparedness crowd among us read this book? And what did you think of it?"

I haven't read it yet, but I've just put in a request for an interlibrary loan.

I see that the publisher is Storey. They only seem to publish meaty books that are pertinent to homesteading. If I had money, I would buy it on the fact that they published it alone.

To see their book lists, go to Storey Books

Sue

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