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#142126 - 07/29/08 10:52 PM Things you don't need to worry about.
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Don't worry.

I'm especially happy about #6. It's nice to be right.

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#142133 - 07/29/08 11:12 PM Re: Things you don't need to worry about. [Re: Blast]
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I am to blame for #9 and #10.

I have abducted #10 which accounts for #9.

I will not return #10, thus restoring #9 until I see the Klingons circling Uranus.
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#142137 - 07/29/08 11:27 PM Re: Things you don't need to worry about. [Re: wildman800]
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I was really worried about #9, particularly since I've been gaining weight lately...
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#142138 - 07/29/08 11:29 PM Re: Things you don't need to worry about. [Re: Fitzoid]
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oh heck, I'll settle for the the really important #1.
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#142175 - 07/30/08 02:27 AM Re: Things you don't need to worry about. [Re: Blast]
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#6. And after we searched and searched for non-badplastic baby bottles for the grandson. Of course, opinions are like noses (or other body parts), everyone has one...
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#142192 - 07/30/08 08:54 AM Re: Things you don't need to worry about. [Re: OldBaldGuy]
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In some of these he's distorting the environmentalists arguments.

2. Your car’s planet-destroying A/C.
Use the fans don't open the windows and you will use less fuel.

3. Forbidden fruits from afar.
One study of anything proves nothing. Something the media never admit.

5. Evil plastic bags.
He's omparing plastic bags with disposable paper ones. Not bringing your own bag and using it for years. And plastic bags last for centuries.

8. The Arctic’s missing ice.
No one is claiming the temperature everywhere will be higher every year. It's a complex system.

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#142198 - 07/30/08 11:23 AM Re: Things you don't need to worry about. [Re: TheSock]
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2. Your car’s planet-destroying A/C.
Use the fans don't open the windows and you will use less fuel


Still depends on the vehilce. Usng or not using A/C on my truck makes no difference in fuel usage, at least not enough that I can measure it. Now my old 4 cylinder truck it was like a turbo boost button.

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#142204 - 07/30/08 11:53 AM Re: Things you don't need to worry about. [Re: Eugene]
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Meh, the guy was grasping for straws.

And caught some rattlesnakes. So plastic bags and air conditioning are harmless? And cellphones will never be declared a hazard - he bets?

I know he was just trying to be funny, but how should I put it? He wasn't trying hard enough.

It is also possible he's got a (poorly) hidden agenda.
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#142206 - 07/30/08 12:17 PM Re: Things you don't need to worry about. [Re: Rodion]
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Hey, here's a good one:

Quote:
MYTH: Gas prices are going through the roof.

TRUTH: Gasoline is a bargain.

The media periodically get upset about "record" gas prices.

"The price of gasoline has risen again to a record high!" said one newscaster in 2004. "The high prices are making it harder for some to keep their heads above water," said another.

...

We should marvel at how cheap gasoline is-what a bargain we get from oil companies. After all, it's easy to bottle water, but think about what it takes to produce and deliver gasoline. Oil has to be sucked out of the ground, sometimes from deep beneath an ocean. To get to the oil, the drills often have to bend and dig sideways through as much as five miles of earth. What they find then has to be delivered through long pipelines or shipped in monstrously expensive ships, then converted into three or more different formulas of gasoline and transported in trucks that cost more than $100,000 each. Then your local gas station must spend a fortune on safety devices to make sure you don't blow yourself up. At $2.26 a gallon (about forty-six cents of which goes to taxes), gas is miraculously cheap! But what we heard from the clueless media was, "Gas prices are at record highs!"

MYTH: We are running out of oil fast.

TRUTH: Not so fast!

"It's going to be a catastrophe!"

When they're not complaining about the price of gas, doomsayers would have us believe that we are burning oil at an "unsustainable" rate.

...

If the price of a barrel of oil stays high, lots of entrepreneurs will scramble for ways to supply cheaper energy. They'll come up with alternative energy sources or better ways to suck oil out of the ground. At fifty dollars a barrel, it's even profitable to recover oil that's stuck in the tar sands in Alberta, Canada. Peter Huber and Mark Mills point out in their book The Bottomless Well that those tar sands alone contain enough oil to meet our needs for a hundred years.

But the media don't pay much attention to that. Not running out of oil is not a very interesting story.


Phew, and there I was worried. Truly, oldie but goldie. ^_^
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#142211 - 07/30/08 12:50 PM Re: Things you don't need to worry about. [Re: Rodion]
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Arrogance...We are fools to think we have that much influence on how this world works, one way or the other. At best, we only have a modest impact on our own existence.

We think far too highly of ourselves. Mother Nature hiccups, and we all buy the farm. Whether plastic bags take a year or a hundred or even a thousand to decompose, what difference will that make in the long run? If we ran out of oil tomorrow, how would that make any difference to how humanity will funtion 500 years from now? Any of these might be a temporary setback for us now, but the eventuality is that none of these things will make any difference over the long run, except maybe to force us to develop technologies a little bit faster to deal with the inconveniences.

Economics isn't really a natural science, any more than politics is.
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#142221 - 07/30/08 01:19 PM Re: Things you don't need to worry about. [Re: benjammin]
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Originally Posted By: benjammin
Arrogance...We are fools to think we have that much influence on how this world works, one way or the other. At best, we only have a modest impact on our own existence.

We think far too highly of ourselves. Mother Nature hiccups, and we all buy the farm. Whether plastic bags take a year or a hundred or even a thousand to decompose, what difference will that make in the long run? If we ran out of oil tomorrow, how would that make any difference to how humanity will funtion 500 years from now? Any of these might be a temporary setback for us now, but the eventuality is that none of these things will make any difference over the long run, except maybe to force us to develop technologies a little bit faster to deal with the inconveniences.

Economics isn't really a natural science, any more than politics is.


I kind of agree. In the near term future, our lives specifically may be very much changed. If we suddenly had absolutley no petroleum products tomorrow, then our lives would change drastically. I'd be OK for a while. But many, including myself, would need to make some longterm changes to how I live, or I would not live. Many of us would not be able to make those changes, and because of that many would perish. But some would be able to make those changes. Some people would survive. There are areas in which most of the people still live a subsistence lifestyle, without a lot of dependence on petroleum. Provided enough can survive to maintain a population that can reproduce, the human race should still be here.

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#142223 - 07/30/08 01:21 PM Re: Things you don't need to worry about. [Re: benjammin]
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We are lucky oil is getting more expensive. Because if we can; we'll burn every drop and leave the global warming problem to our children. When it might be too late.
Governments are showing how real their commitment to stopping global warming is by their response to oil getting more expensive. 'Please OPEC pump more!' Using less is not even considered.
Since plastic bags are made of oil and every one in a landfill is some oil that wasn't burnt; aren't they a good thing for the environment?
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#142225 - 07/30/08 01:28 PM Re: Things you don't need to worry about. [Re: Blast]
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Re those evil plastic bags. Like everyone ('cept those who toss them in the first place), we hate seeing those damned things all over the place. And since more and more stores are talking about charging you for plastic, we have purchased a bunch of those reusable shopping bags. But, we used the plastic bags for our household garbage. No free plastic shopping bags, we will have to buy those rolls of plastic trash bags to use, since our trash still has to get from the home on wheels to the dumpster. Plastic still goes into the landfill, we just have to buy the bags instead of the stores giving them to us (and undoubtedly passing that cost on to us)...
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#142227 - 07/30/08 01:39 PM Re: Things you don't need to worry about. [Re: OldBaldGuy]
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Many of the grocery stores around here already charge 5 cents a bag. The reusable ones are OK but they require a certain amount of forethought. I'm not going to carry 4 of those bags around with me all the time because I might want to get groceries while I'm walking home from work.

Some stores are going back to paper but only the green and the nostalgic seem to think that's anything but a waste of time.

I like the MECs solution. Every time you take no bags they donate to charity on your behalf. The bags they do have are made from cornstarch and biodegradable. More stores could learn from them.

They also collect unwanted polyester clothing and recycle it. I'm not sure how much of that ends up back in their products but it must be at least some of it.

I'm not sure I buy the claim that locally grown fruit and veg can have a higher carbon footprint than those grown overseas. And regardless, there's no reason not to buy your grown groceries at the local farmers market. The prices are usually pretty good, the product is good, and you're supporting your local economy. Not to mention that locally grown usually has less chemicals on/in it than the stuff they ship around the world. I'd be more worried about that personally.

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#142228 - 07/30/08 01:45 PM Re: Things you don't need to worry about. [Re: Dan_McI]
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Originally Posted By: Dan_McI
I kind of agree. In the near term future, our lives specifically may be very much changed. If we suddenly had absolutley no petroleum products tomorrow, then our lives would change drastically. I'd be OK for a while. But many, including myself, would need to make some longterm changes to how I live, or I would not live. Many of us would not be able to make those changes, and because of that many would perish. But some would be able to make those changes. Some people would survive. There are areas in which most of the people still live a subsistence lifestyle, without a lot of dependence on petroleum. Provided enough can survive to maintain a population that can reproduce, the human race should still be here.


See, that's the problem: we always imagine a global crisis by way of Hollywood: The Day the Meteor Hit, or Banks Collapsed, or Oil Ran Out. Real life isn't like that. If oil starts runnig low, you won't suddenly find yourself in a post-industrial utopia. On the contrary, the governments in place will see a threat to their existence and respond with even more production, even more war, even more control over the population. Do not expect die-offs before kill-offs.

And you know what's the scariest part? The proverbial Big Brother state may very well pull through. Genetic engineering, currently restricted by ignorant technophobias, will explode all over the world if existential threats appear on the horizon. The possibilities for implementation at hand are staggering even now, think what they will look like by 2012. Now add incentive and presto: new energy, new power, new technologies and a new, very different, way of life.
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#142231 - 07/30/08 01:55 PM Re: Things you don't need to worry about. [Re: ]
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"...they require a certain amount of forethought..."

Most of the time we forget to take the darned things into the store with us, so I either have to make a run back to the truck, or we just have the checker put the stuff right back into the basket, then transfer it to our bags when we get out into the parking lot. And we still have to buy plastic trash bags. What a pain...
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