I don't know if you guys have seen this yet, thought it was funny enough to share.

ROFLMAO!

John

please don't bring your politics here, there's plenty of places on the net to talk about this. If I was to introduce some of the jokes we've got in the UK about why Bush is trading lives for oil I could cause a riot, but I won't.

Justin

JustinTime,

Lighten up!

Enjoy a good laugh when it is presented. The issue of survival is grave enough by itself, especially in a period of terrorists' threats which they have shown they are earnest about carrying out. Occasional levity makes life a lot more pleasant. Humor to some extent, and laughter per se are not political. I laughed at the " *NEW* French Survival Knife" because it is hilarious. I commend it and those who proffered it for the same reason. Although the French government has acted inimically to the U.S., I do not hate France. But if it appears ludicrous, I'm not going to suppress a hearty laugh either. My wife is of one-fourth (1/4) French extraction. She laughed as hard as I did.

Just because the humor does not comport with your own personal view of the world, that does not mean that the rest of the world should not enjoy it.

This is at least the fourth time in the last three months when the voices of intolerance have tried to censor a discussion or theme because they deemed it offensive to their taste or politically incorrect. Censorship consists of suppressing or hiding from the public view something that the censor does not like or does not wish to be considered. This is a survival forum. We need to consider all sides of issues where our survival may be at stake. To ignore inconvenient or unattractive matters due to bias or prejudice is not only foolhardy but it's also the very antithesis of realistic survival planning and behavior.

I also notice that while you claim to decry the introduction of politics into this forum, you do that in the process of slipping in your own anti-American canard. Apophasis is the old debate technique of emphatically arguing a point while denying that you would ever mention it. It's a little too sly and sophistic for me.

Incidentally, PRESIDENT "Bush", and the U.S. Congress which supports him are carrying out their Constitutional mandated duties to protect and defend the United States from terrorists who have or would attack us and those who support terrorists. The USA owes a debt of gratitude to Britain for the assistance of the British military, and the unflagging support of Prime Minister Blair and three-fourths (3/4) of Parliament. While this last paragraph may seem to verge on the political, it is also too self-evidently true to be contentious.

Time to get off my soap box.

John

P.S. If you want to discuss this further, send me a PM so we don't use up Doug's forum space.

Peace!

Folks, This is the "around the campfire" portion of this forum where we should be able to share jokes, stories, anectedotes and opinions not necessarrily tightly confined to survival equipment, usage, packaging and skills. This is the place for us to get to know each other a bit better and relax and have a cup of your favorite beverage here and chat about life the universe and everything. In such a place it is not unlikely that we will find ourselves in disagreement more strongly than in a discussion of which knife is better. (though that also evokes strong emotion on most of us). If you disagree feel free to say so. If you are offended, feel free to say so. If you want the freedom to speak yourself, please don't try to stifle your fellows! There is a watchful authority on this forum who will and has quieted topics that have become disruptive. Unless your profile is ADMINISTRATOR please don't try to play the role.

It should also be pointed out that the U.S., esp. the military, has a long histiry of picking on the lack of resolve of the French military that predates the current political situation. It's (mostly) lighthearted ribbing akin to what goes on between all the armed forces.... Marines pick on Navy until the Army comes around...then it's Marines & Navy vs. Army etc. Of course, no one picks on the Air Force because they really do start crying. <img src="images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Ed

justin, please share the anti bush jokes, i could do with a good giggle that's not directed at the french for a change <img src="images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

take it easy,
stuart.

OK You guys asked for it though I'm far from convinced about America's commitment to free speech, we'll see how you get on...
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Wal, due t'lack of fundin', European histo'y is obviously not th' strong
point of th' South Car'linan ejoocayshunal system, dawgone it. So less
corncentrate on mo'e impo'tant thin's:

THE COMPLETE MILITARY HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA aka THE LAND
OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE

French an' Indian Wars: OK, we were supposed t'be British back then, as enny
fool kin plainly see. But it's th' closess thin' we've gotta a glo'ious
past. An' we won, as enny fool kin plainly see. So this hyar sh'd definitely
be a part of th' official American military histo'y

American War of Independence: Wal th' redcoats kicked our ass at th'
beginnin' of th' war. But Warshin'ton was hell on retreat. An' th' English
gave up fightin' when we threw all their tea in th' sea. ah have heard
rumours of an intervenshun by th' French, Dutch an' Spaniards, but our
teacher didn't menshun ennythin' about this. An' ah didn't see enny of these
euro-commies in "Th' Patriot" But Mel Gibson did kick some serious ass...

War of 1812: OK, fust we were licked by th' Kinadians, an' then th' British
burned our capital, ah reckon. But winnners nevah quit, so we went on
fightin'. We even managed t'win our only battle AFTER th' peace treaty had
been signed, cuss it all t' tarnation. So we Amercans obviously won th'
war...

Texas War of Independence: T'other vicko'y. Davy Crocket, John-Boy Wayne an'
Jim Bowie kicked Santa Anna's ass at Alamo so thet th' Texans c'd keep their
slaves. T'other vicko'y fo' liberty an' free interprise,,,

Mexican War: We whipped th' degos an' stole ha'f their lan'. Way t'go...

Civil War: Two armed mobs chasin' etch other aroun' th' countryside. Th'
South Car'linans won as usual, ah reckon. Great fun, as enny fool kin
plainly see. We sh'd t'this mo'e offen...

Indian Wars: We whipped th' injuns an' stole ALL their lan'. We were
beginnin' t'git th' hang of this hyar now...

Spanish-American War: Th' spoils fum th' indian wars warn't whut we specked,
cuss it all t' tarnation. Who want's t'spend their vacashun in No'th Dakota?
So we stole some carribean islan' fum th' filthy spaniards t'improve th'
situashun.

WW1: We on overslepp an' didn't arrive at th' party befo'e it was almost on
over. So them bloody euro commies took all th' spoils of war an' didn't give
us ennythin'. Decides t'stay home sulikin' fo' th' next 20 years...

US Intervenshuns in Latin America: OK, even eff'n th' commie euros rule th'
majo' league, we does kick some serious ass in th' local li'l league:

1905: Honduras - Th' marines lan'ed, killed a lot of natives an' stole all
their fruit
1906: Cuba - Th' marines lan'ed, killed a lot of natives an' stole all their
fruit
1907: Nicareegua - Th' marines lan'ed, killed a lot of natives an' stole all
their fruit
1910: Nicareegua - Th' marines lan'ed, killed a lot of natives an' stole all
their fruit
1912: Cuba - Th' marines lan'ed, killed a lot of natives an' stole all their
fruit
1912: Nicareegua - Th' marines lan'ed, killed a lot of natives an' stole all
their fruit
1915: Haiti - Th' marines lan'ed, killed a lot of natives an' stole all
their fruit
1916: Dominican Republic - Th' marines lan'ed, killed a lot of natives an'
stole all their fruit
1917: Cuba - Th' marines lan'ed, killed a lot of natives an' stole all their
fruit
1918: Panama - Th' marines lan'ed, killed a lot of natives an' stole all
their fruit
1921: Guatemala - Th' marines lan'ed, killed a lot of natives an' stole all
their fruit
1925: Panama - Th' marines lan'ed, killed a lot of natives an' stole all
their fruit
1926: Nicareegua - Th' marines lan'ed, killed a lot of natives an' stole all
their fruit
1932: El Salvado' - Th' marines lan'ed, killed a lot of natives an' stole
all their fruit

WW2: We on overslepp agin. Thank god th' Japanese waked us up in time t'join
th' party. Decides t'let th' Russians do most of th' fightin' fo' us. But we
did make a lot of mighty fine trucks. Eff'n we didn't stay home an' make
trucks, them euro bastards'd be speakin' german by now.

Ko'ean War: Technically a tie. But we'd haf won eff'n jest them United
Nashuns weenies'd haf let MacArthur drop th' bomb on over Beijin'. Dawgone
spoilspo'ts...

Bay of Pigs: Th' CIA lan'ed an' tried t'git mo'e fruit an' some cigars. Shop
was unfo'tunately closed, cuss it all t' tarnation. Will jest hafta stick
t'dominican cigars in th' future

Vietnam: We came, We sar, We scooted away. But thet doesn't mean we lost th'
war. We killed a lot of gooks. But they didn't haf enny fruit so we decided
t'go home. But we didn't loose th' war - does yo' hear me euro commies WE
DIDN`T LOOSE THE VIETNAM WAR! Fry mah hide!! Fry mah hide!! Fry mah hide!!
Fry mah hide! WE WON WON WON WON! Fry mah hide!!

Grenada: Af'er th' recent cockups, we decided t'go back t'basic. Th' marines
lan'ed, killed a couple of commies an' stole all their fruit. Dawgone we is
fine at this...

Panama: Th' marines lan'ed, killed th' natives an' stole their fruit. Got
some cocaine as well. Nice job. Well bust mah britches an' call me
streaker...

War aginst Iraq: OK, we haf 'nuff fruit. Less steal some oil instead, cuss
it all t' tarnation. Our cruise missiles kin take out them nasty acco'dion
facko'ies an' kinnergartens wifout enny dangers t'ourselves. Then we kin
send in th' marines an' kill thet nasty man wif th' huge moestache.
Unfo'tunately we didn't find th' way t'Baghdad - our generals haf probably
lost their sense of direckshun af'er all th' party drugs in Nam, dawgone it.

Somalia: We came, we sar an' we scooted once agin. They didn't haf enny
fruit o' oil so whut th' hell were we doin' thar in th' fust place...

9/11/01: Arab austrike aginst th' US. Whuffo''d someone attack a peacelovin'
nashun like us? They muss be crazy. Thank God they crashed right into our
Barrage-Skyscrapers.

Afghanistan: No oil, no fruit, no fun, as enny fool kin plainly see. Cain't
make great TV intertainment outta thet. Guess we need a noo war t'keep th'
media happy. Th' No'th Ko'eans seems t'be a bit too tough fo' our fellas, so
less make a sequal t'th' Iraqi war instead, cuss it all t' tarnation...

>>Folks, This is the "around the campfire" portion of this forum where we should be able to share jokes, stories, anectedotes and opinions not necessarrily tightly confined to survival equipment, usage, packaging and skills.

It's also an international forum with at least one member from France, who may not appreciate the humour.

It wasn't that long ago that France was fighting for its life against the Nazis, and it was the Americans who were sitting on the sidelines refusing to get involved. Not all American citizens were content to sit it out, of course; author Len Morgan, in Flying magazine, told of how, several months after the USA entered the war, he received his draft notice from Uncle Sam - in North Africa, where he'd spent the last two years flying bombing missions with the RAF. (He wrote a very humorous reply, to the effect that if Mr. Roosevelt would ask Mr. Churchill to release him from his duties with the Royal Air Force, and Uncle Sam would pay his passage back stateside, he would be only too pleased to report for duty. The offer was politely declined <img src="images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> ) Similarly, there may be many in France who disagree with their government's stance, but who nevertheless would not be amused.

>>Unless your profile is ADMINISTRATOR please don't try to play the role.

Chris has already had to shut down at least one discussion on this forum, when Mike and I got a little "emphatic" about our opinions. I felt badly about having put him in a position where he was forced to step in, and I don't think it's fair to put him in that position any more than we need to.

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree w/ john's post, almost to the word what I would've said. JustinTime has the 'European view' and attitudes, might I add; that always poke me in the gut. Look Pal, I have 3 FAMILY members in US MILITARY uniforms over there DEFENDING My Country's fellow citizens; and think that ANY humor that can be interjected at this time is MOST welcome here on these shores. You are entitled to your opinion, just remember this IS an AMERICAN based forum, complete with Veterans who Proudly served this Country's people and her Flag; please don't 'panty waist' here <img src="images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I have 3 swiss army knives, and thought the whole thing hilarious.....I guess it all depends on your perspective. May God bless ALL the troops who are engaging World Terrorism Today. Amen, Gene

HI John
I didn't know it was called Apophasis, but I was conscious that I was letting you guys know that I do have a strong political position on this war, being upfront was the intention. However I think that this isn't the best place to discuss it. I dont think that's political correctness, that's me trying not to drag the group off-topic with my own views but also letting the pro-war amongst you realise that your views are not to be taken for granted. For many of us France's position smacks less of cowardice than of principle whilst Blair seems to be acting like the bulliy's sidekick. Of course If you guys are genuinely up for debate then fair enough.

I'm happy to learn any survival related lessons from the war though and no doubt in time there'll be a raft of rolicking good stories published and I'll buy a few of them. Of course how much of them I'll believe, eg. Bravo 20 will be up for question.

Justin

Hi Gene
Reading your posts about your job makes me a bit envious, but your views on why your country and mine are in a war are just wrong in my view. Your citizens weren't at risk from Iraq, Iraqis are much more at risk from your state which is attacking them. As for "panty waist"ing, I guess that's an insult based on some ideas of masculinity but I'm afraid it's pretty meaningless to me. Are those americans who demonstrate against the war "panty waist"ing
Justin

ps I've got four Swiss Army knives but two of them are the little Classics so think we're even on that account

>>Look Pal, I have 3 FAMILY members in US MILITARY uniforms over there DEFENDING My Country's fellow citizens;

Bully for you; my Dad was fighting in North Africa when 99% of your countrymen had never heard of Pearl Harbor. So what?

In WWI, the USA didn't get involved until the Lusitania was sunk, killing American citizens. By that time, millions of French, British, Russians, Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders had died. In WWII, you didn't get involved until Pearl Harbor was attacked - again, 2 years after the war had started for France and Britain, and even more for Poland, Austria and points east. Your soldiers fought bravely once you did get involved, by all accounts; but you saw no reason to get involved in someone else's war when you weren't threatened as a nation. Why now get all high and mighty when the French exercise their sovereign right to keep their nose out of someone else's war?

I've no problem with humour; I like it. But Cyko's "joke" was insulting to members of this forum, and because of that, IMO, this is not an appropriate forum to post such material.

I'd prefer not to turn this into a flame war, so this will be my last post on the topic.

Okay,
On another forum I wrote a book about the previous French toasting and lockdown here, but didn't mention ETS by name. I did say that we learn a lot about ourselves by other people's jokes about us, and also explained how other countries see us in the U.S. as reckless, arrogant, cowboys. Thus, I am glad that JustinTime posted his U.S. wars joke. It's a political joke, and not a religous swipe, or talkin trash about my momma. I can read it and maybe laugh a little about my heritage, maybe feel a little defensive, and maybe learn something in the process. I too felt that we can discuss the minutia of the Suiss card here ad nauseum, but the actual title of Around the Campfire as " A place for Chit Chat about life or subjects of interest other than Survival or Emergency Preparedness" was a misnomer. I have to tell everyone here that I am easily offended by those who are easily offended, and I'm sick of all the dang Politically Correct sacred cows in the world. I've heard it said that one measure of a man's maturity is his ability to laugh at himself. If anyone wants to send me PMs with Redneck bashing, anti-American jokes go ahead, I'm self secure enough to handle it without whining. BTW, the Embassy of France lists total French military deaths for WWI and WWII as 1,385,000. I'd hardly call them a nation of cowards, maybe just one with a good memory for the pain and suffering of war. Regards, Keys (Bubba) Bear

Thanks to all who enjoyed the pic, to those who didn't, kiss my American ass! Wooohoooo! Just kidding, hehe, lighten up guys, it is a joke! Besides, I love French (insert famous French thing here). <img src="images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Hi Cyko
I think you've accidentally hit on what a lot of the world thinks this is about:

It seems it's ok to be a dictator, drug dealer, human rights abuser, etc, etc as long as you're prepared to Kiss America's Ass. But once you start to threaten the profits of Big Business, or not accept America's views on the world, well you better watch out....
Justin
where next, Burma, Zimbabwe?

O.K., well, I guess I somewhat overreacted to that « joke ». <img src="images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

That's war for me : it tends to wear out my « sens de l'humour » !

Had I have a better look at that knife, I would immediatly have seen it's a fake !

That's not a french design. It's obviously an american one :
- First of all, horizontal red/white/blue stripes is not the French flag, but the one for Netherlands (I know : they both are small countries, not far apart, somewhere in Europe ; not easy to tell which is which, especially when your only way to learn some geography is to make war ) ;
- Maybe I see those stripes inverted : in which case horizontal blue/white/red stripes represent the « Serbie/Montenegro » flag (another tiny european state !!)
- But in the matter at hand, I suspect these blue/white/red colors are an reminder of the american flag ; you cann't help it, can you ?
- Green and Yellow are the colors of Bresil and Bolivie, but what the heck are they doing here ? ? ? ? <img src="images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
- The deficient compass seems like what you have to expect whith most « made in USA » products, actually manufactured in China ; <img src="images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
- the « tactical pads » are much more useful in the US Armies, as they have a higher percentage of women in their ranks (another victory for the Women Liberation Movement)
- The butter knife blade also says «US approved ». And I hope it's unsharpened as well ! If not, the manufacturer could be sued for selling such a probably eventually potentially dangerous thing (have you ever seen an unemployed lawyer in the USA ?! ?) <img src="images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
- The comb reminds me of Travolta, in Saturday Night Fever ... <img src="images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
- The corkscrew is another proof this is a fake, poorly designed to look french ; everybody knows soldiers, all over the world, don't need corkscrews as they don't drink good wine, but prefer beer ! A bootle opener would have been more appropriate.
- I have to admit I was puzzled about that little bit called a « pacifier » . I thought the Colt .45 S.A. (or was it another .44 caliber revolver ?) was called a pacifier . Or was it a Peacekeeper ? No, it was a Peacemaker, is that right ? ?
- about Peace, the « Peace and Love » sign, displayed on that knife, also comes from USA ;
- as for the white flag, non conclusive ! I reckon it's an international signal. For instance, Henry DUNANT used it before creating the Red Cross flag (an inverted Swiss flag).

I guess I have completly and correctly « analyzed » this pseudo-french knife, in each of its components.
Oupssss..... I missed the lanyard loop ! Well, that could be french indeed : we do like to be practical in our designs. <img src="images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Alain

Remember Justin, they started this. This isn't about the United States government oppressing or controlling people of other countries, this is about the idea and dream of FREEDOM and making that dream a reality WORLDWIDE. We are not conquering anyone, the dream is.

Very creative reply frenchy, and worthy of a reward. I'll put you on the list for a barrel of oil and a basket of fruit. Regards, Keys

Sorry, I wasn't going to post anything further in this thread; but WHO started WHAT? Iraq didn't invade the US, and neither did France. Yes, there were terrorist attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon by terrorists who were being given aid and shelter by Afghanistan. The last time I checked, Afghanistan and Iraq were separate countries. As far as I know, no-one has ever provided any evidence, or even claimed, that Saddam Hussein was involved in the WTC attacks. Your argument makes as much sense as invading Switzerland because Germany sank the Lusitania.

Who started it? It was the Americans who trained Osama Bin Laden; it was the Americans who put the Taliban in power; it was the Americans who took sides (rightly or wrongly) in the Arab-Israeli conflict. If you stick your nose into someone else's war and choose a side, you lose your right to act shocked and apalled when the people you've taken sides against decide to treat you as the enemy. (Hunting them down and killing them may be an appropriate response; whining about how unsportsmanlike they were is not.) As Captain Erickson said to the U-boat captain who complained that Erickson had taken him by surprise, "This is war. I'm sorry if it is too hard for you." (Monsarrat: The Cruel Sea)

Where do you get off thinking that the US has a God-given right to order other countries' armies into battle? Or that the French are a nation of cowards because, when Uncle Sam says "jump", they say "not today, thank you"?

In other words, WHO started WHAT? <img src="images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

In an effort to return to some sort of humor I submit this comic strip.

Saddam and his regime have refused to disarm for over 12 years. Saddam is a mass murderer, he has killed more Muslims than anyone in history. His eldest son is a rapist and a torturing murderer as well. Iraq offers a safe haven and training, YES - TRAINING of TERRORISTS. There is also links that connect Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden. Saddam's pride and ego is so sickening, he is willing to destroy his entire country and innocent lives to stand behind a lie. When we find the banned weapons, which we will, the world will see. I guess the true questions at hand are, "Should we allow a madman of a country to kill innocent people and get away with it? Should we stand in the background and watch his arsenal of evil grow? Should we close our eyes to this...

Victims of Saddam Hussein's poison gas attack on Halabja, March 1988
...or should we just wait and see if he visits the Wizard of Oz and gets the full package deal of a heart, brain, courage and a ticket to Kansas?" I think the world needs to finally realise that America isn't going to take anymore crap. Regarding the American trained soldiers in Afghanistan, this was at a time when the USSR was still a functioning threat to the United States and again, unjustices were being done there by the Russians, we offered aid to the poor military of Afghanistan, how were we to predict that they would turn on us like rabid dogs? Alot has happened since that time with both Russia and Afghanistan. Things change, history is proof of that. The US is in Iraq for good reasons and I support our troops, our president and our cause 110%. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

<sigh> You didn't answer the question. What exactly did "they" start, and when?

The terrorists, September 11, 2001.

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Ban aardwolfe, not Mike ! AW has flaunted his caustic and abrasive style since day one. Witness the customary apologies that followed his early posts on this forum. France is entitled to do as they please, but the bottom line is that the only time France likes the USA is when the Germans are kicking their a$$.

*sniff sniff*
What's that smell?
Ah yes,that would be the testosterone.

Aren't you boys done peeing in the corners and flexing your muscles at each other yet?

<sigh> And what did they have to do with France?

Cyko
America and Britain both have extensive and recent histories of arming, supporting, encouraging, protecting, training, supplying, pretty nasty un-democratic countries when it suits them. They also are more than happy to sabotage democratic processes in other countries when that suits them too. So the argument about democracy and freedom doesn't stand. From the top of my head the name Mossadeq pops up as some that relevant to this situation.

Iraq is a great example, Britain was involved in supplying weapons and helping build chemical factories see The strange case of Falluja 2 Many Iraqi officer in the last gulf war had trained at Sandhurst!

Why does America not invade some of these other countries which we know to be oppressive dictatorships? How about invading a large country which has many more weapons of mass destruction than could possibly be used, and has been ripping up international treaties so that it can prevent inspections. In fact may have gone as far as making those inspections illegal.... any guesses what that country's called?

Justin

Justintime, yes! any American 'protesting' the War on Terrorism is "panty waisting" in my opinion. I just think that if you're Countrymen are involved in a conflict, that's inclined to protect your LIFE, then protesting is cowardly. YOUR Countrymen are fighting alongside mine; because the Executive Branches of OUR governments have credible info, leading them to believe, it 'was now or never' to get that Madman Hussien. I stand proudly and strongly alongside ANYONE in uniform in my Country, whether we are in a conflict or not. By the way, I am one of a handful of "Taps' players in this Country, and cover all of the 7 New England states for military funerals as I am needed. The reason i do this is to stay in practice for the 7 men in my family, who are all going to recieve a military funeral when they pass; and I'll be danged if a 'boombox tape recording' of 'Taps' will play at any of their burials. They were promised a live 'Taps' player when they served, and they'll get one. I just took another look at the 3 Medals for Heroism, and 3 Ribbons, and my Unit Citation, that I recieved for my 'Acts of Heroism' performing rescues DURING the Plane attacks on the World Trade Center, in NYC, on Sept 11th, 2001. Thanks for reminding me to NOT take today for granted <img src="images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I appreciate your point of view, it's much harder to accept from where I view it, that's all. By the way, I accepted my awards on behalf of all those who perished, and the untold numbers of civilian heroes that were there that day, that recieved no recognition. That's all I have to say on this thread. The PTSD is enough to deal with the rest of my Life thank you, Gene

Hi Gene
I've tried to think of how to write this without sounding patronising, I don't know if I've succeeded.... I hope I could behave as you did at the World Trade Centre; bravery, selflessness, initiative. I've not really been tested in that way, I guess part of my interest in survival, and other peoples' experiences, is to prepare myself should that ever occur. Having said that your individual experience, and that of many others that day, does not convince me that this war is right. This war will spawn many stories of individual heroism and tragedy on all sides..

Justin
I still haven't figured out what "panty waisting" means, I guess it doesn't translate well across the Atlantic. Anyone who wants to explain it to me feel free to PM. I promise I won't be offended

Justin, FYI it's panty waste, not waist. Think impotent and the insult should become a little more clear. Hope this helps, Ed