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#140021 - 07/17/08 03:10 PM Re: Dog defense? [Re: nursemike]
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"...tightening the noose..."

I like that part.

The state, always trying to save a buck, once put animal snares in the trunks of our patrol vehicles. Made from 1/2" PVC and poly rope. I never ever heard of any officer actually trying to use the POS...
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#140037 - 07/17/08 03:35 PM Re: Dog defense? [Re: nursemike]
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I'm in total agreement with you. I wouldn't let a dog lick a bleeding wound, but the web is filled with "miracle" stories that doing so not only cures cancer, it raises your IQ by 27 points.

Yep, thoroughly flushing the wound and leaving it open are the way to go. And I always carry antibiotics, but people self-medicating themselves is not always a good idea.

A real problem comes from people self-suturing wounds that haven't been properly cleaned, which isn't even always possible for deep punctures. That's a guaranteed recipe for something bad.
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#140038 - 07/17/08 03:40 PM Re: Dog defense? [Re: nursemike]
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Originally Posted By: nursemike

other side note: for statistics on dog homicides and how lawyers manage bad dogs, see http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/danger.htm#homicides.


Now THAT is an amazing website.

Bookmarked for use when somebody says that guns should be banned and a person needing security should get a dog instead!

Wow!

Thanks for posting it!

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#140041 - 07/17/08 03:48 PM Re: Dog defense? [Re: unimogbert]
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I don't follow your logic. Yes, dogs unfortunately kill people but the numbers don't even compare remotely to deaths from firearms. (The website attributes 30 human deaths per year to dogs and notes how thoroughly they are investigated.)

Not to start a debate here, as it doesn't matter what side your on with gun control, but this comparison is total apples and oranges.

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#140042 - 07/17/08 03:58 PM Re: Dog defense? [Re: Fitzoid]
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http://www.dogsbite.org/bite-study-deaths-maimings.htm

I find it interesting that in 25 years there have only been 4 accounts of a wolf-hybrid going after an adult in the US AND Canada. That's a crazy low number (assuming the study was thorough) compared to the other aggressive dogs in the list.

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#140049 - 07/17/08 04:11 PM Re: Dog defense? [Re: unimogbert]
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One of the neatest parts of the doglaw website is the dog homicide anecdote section. Lots of darwin at work: dogs attacking the very old and the very young is not a good thing, but there is a fair representation of attack dogs eating their owners or potential owners.

Note on semi-automatic weapons and dog packs: Can be very effective if the pack comes at you in single file.

Note for pacifists: consider dog appeasing pheromone (http://www.dennisthechemist.com/pet-and-...0&page_id=3)
Which actually seems to be helping our demented jack russell terrier.

Note for Blast: Hand grenades might be effective for pack defense, as well as doing much of the job of the sous-chef.
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#140057 - 07/17/08 04:31 PM Re: Dog defense? [Re: Fitzoid]
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Originally Posted By: Fitzoid
I don't follow your logic. Yes, dogs unfortunately kill people but the numbers don't even compare remotely to deaths from firearms. (The website attributes 30 human deaths per year to dogs and notes how thoroughly they are investigated.)

Not to start a debate here, as it doesn't matter what side your on with gun control, but this comparison is total apples and oranges.



I don't make the comparison. Non-logical people make the comparison.

It's common for people who want to ban guns to suggest buying a dog instead.

A fired gun ALWAYS has a human behind it. The dog can "go off", sometimes fatally, on its own. So suggesting that one should get a dog instead is introducing a random triggering factor - a foolish idea.

Those who blithely suggest buying a dog for protection haven't read the website.
If in debate with them, I'll ask that they do some reading.

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#140061 - 07/17/08 04:36 PM Re: Dog defense? [Re: NightHiker]
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You can get steel toes which are composite and not steel. The boots are quite light and some might even make decent hikers.

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#140067 - 07/17/08 05:03 PM Re: Dog defense? [Re: nursemike]
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Note for Blast: Hand grenades might be effective for pack defense,


I'm leaning towards naplam. Like the add says, "Just a dab wil do ya!".

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#140077 - 07/17/08 05:46 PM Re: Dog defense? [Re: Blast]
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Napalm splatters too much for dog packs,,,AND remember, "Napalm sticks to kids".

A good old fashioned M-79 should do the dog trick quite nicely, too bad they aren't commercially available.
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