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#139592 - 07/14/08 01:06 PM Re: Amunition in my trunk???? [Re: Chris Kavanaugh]
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#139599 - 07/14/08 02:25 PM Re: Amunition in my trunk???? [Re: OldBaldGuy]
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Heat degrades smokeless powder. I doubt there is a hazard (
see Hatcher's book about heating cartriges to pop), but
you may see decrease in consistancy over time.

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#139635 - 07/14/08 10:45 PM Re: Amunition in my trunk???? [Re: NightHiker]
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This issue is not only applicable to ammunition. Withing a well equipped kit there are a lot of things that could be potentially damaged by the heat. Food and medicine degrade with heat.

The heat in a car, short of the vehicle actually being on fire or the ammunition being placed directly over a defective catalytic converter installation, wouldn't likely cause the ammunition to cook off and short of that it should remain usable for a long time. That said the heat certainly isn't doing the cartridges any good. For a critical one-time-only shot and a choice between ammunition stored in a controlled atmosphere or ammunition stored in a car trunk for a year I wouldn't be reaching for the stuff that had been riding in the car. Common sense.

I have found that if you are going to store things in a vehicle you can limit the heat exposure by storing materials as low as possible and using insulation to moderate the temperature fluctuations. An inexpensive Styrofoam cooler kept low is good. There is a common building insulation available in many hardware stores based on foil and bubble-wrap. This can be used to make pouches, envelopes and bags and it can be doubled or tripled to get significant amounts of insulation in small areas and with little weight.

http://www.reflectixinc.com/images/uploads/allpdfs/f8%20retail%20product%20guide%200107.pdf

You can also include bottles of water in these packages to further moderate the temperature extremes. Just make sure they are sealed and kept upright if possible. This lets them do double duty. Your going to need the water anyway. If the other supplies are very sensitive to water you might leave out the water or, perhaps, substitute gel packs.

When storing supplies on a vehicles floorboard be aware of the location and routing of the exhaust system and catalytic converter. These components get hot when the engine is running and stay hot for a time afterward.

Also, particularly if you traverse deep water, drive a junker, or simply have leaks, portions of the floor of a vehicle may get and stay wet. It wouldn't do any good to prevent damage from heat only to see your supplies damaged by water. A cooler or ammo can may be a good way to keep any water out.

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#139647 - 07/15/08 01:23 AM Re: Amunition in my trunk???? [Re: Art_in_FL]
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Some years back, I stored 500 rounds of .38 Special cast bullet handloads in my car trunk. After several weeks, not one round would fire! The cast bullet lubricant had melted and contaminated the powder and primers. The lesson is that any ammunition that is lubricated and which which seats the bullet inside the case can be subject to this kind of contamination. There may be some commercially manufactured bullets that use lubricants that are resistant to melting, but I am not willing to take the chance. In summary, excessive heat and humidity do not do anything good for ammunition.

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#139666 - 07/15/08 12:15 PM Re: Amunition in my trunk???? [Re: HerbG]
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Originally Posted By: HerbG
Some years back, I stored 500 rounds of .38 Special cast bullet handloads in my car trunk. After several weeks, not one round would fire! The cast bullet lubricant had melted and contaminated the powder and primers.


I'm curious, were they stored bullets up, or bullets down?
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#139674 - 07/15/08 01:31 PM Re: Amunition in my trunk???? [Re: HerbG]
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Originally Posted By: HerbG
Some years back, I stored 500 rounds of .38 Special cast bullet handloads in my car trunk. After several weeks, not one round would fire! The cast bullet lubricant had melted and contaminated the powder and primers. The lesson is that any ammunition that is lubricated and which which seats the bullet inside the case can be subject to this kind of contamination. There may be some commercially manufactured bullets that use lubricants that are resistant to melting, but I am not willing to take the chance. In summary, excessive heat and humidity do not do anything good for ammunition.


This is one reason to use Lee alox for your bullet lube.
They show a picture of a bullet under a propane torch and
the bullet melting while the alox stays put on the bullet.

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#139675 - 07/15/08 01:38 PM Re: Amunition in my trunk???? [Re: clearwater]
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Or buy cheap FMJ bullets in bulk...
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