#138164 - 06/30/08 02:26 AM
Once Again, a Signal Fire Out of Control
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 01/28/01
Posts: 2206
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<sigh> here we go again. The last one in AZ burned almost half a million acres (when it joined up with another) A signal fire started by a lost hiker Saturday night has erupted into a several hundred acre wildfire about a mile from the Crown King community north of the Valley, Yavapai County Sheriff's Office officials said. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/06/29/20080629crownking.htmlAs Smokie says, Please, only YOU can prevent forest fires.
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#138167 - 06/30/08 03:41 AM
Re: Once Again, a Signal Fire Out of Control
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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Registered: 06/29/06
Posts: 127
Loc: Ca, usa
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I'd say the person responsible for starting the fire should be required to pay for the damages. Including the people time and effort. and the cost of thier rescue.
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#138169 - 06/30/08 04:03 AM
Re: Once Again, a Signal Fire Out of Control
[Re: katarin]
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Crazy Canuck
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Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 3234
Loc: Alberta, Canada
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When someone starts a stupid fire, and they lose control of it, they put the lives of good people in immediate danger. That is horrific, selfish, obscene; it raises my blood pressure off the chart. Shame! Idiot! Shame!
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#138179 - 06/30/08 10:20 AM
Re: Once Again, a Signal Fire Out of Control
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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Cranky Geek
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Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 4642
Loc: Vermont
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Signal fire, hmmm? Great, one more thing we'll get blamed for.
Doug, as much as I squirm saying it, I'm leaning more to the PLB and GPS recommendation.
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#138196 - 06/30/08 01:23 PM
Re: Once Again, a Signal Fire Out of Control
[Re: katarin]
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Geezer
Registered: 09/30/01
Posts: 5695
Loc: Former AFB in CA, recouping fr...
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Only Bill Gates could afford to actually pay for fighting a monster fire, but the setter should have to pay. A lot. And lots of community service time...
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#138232 - 06/30/08 04:13 PM
Re: Once Again, a Signal Fire Out of Control
[Re: OldBaldGuy]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 02/16/08
Posts: 2463
Loc: Central California
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"five hikers got lost and one of them left the group and started a signal fire"
In California right now we have over one thousand (1,000)primarily lightning-caused fires burning; the central Sacramento-San Joaquin Valley have been filled with unhealthy levels of particulate matter from smoke for days. So, starting a fire is not too popular around here.
In California, anyone found guilty of intentionally starting a fire like the one in AZ could be subject to civil fines and various criminal charges, but only after an investigation established the facts.
I agree with all the sentiments expressed so far, but also caution that we should not rush to a final judgment. Let's learn what all the facts are so we can learn whatever real lessons are presented beyond just the headlines of this story.
How about learning and then teaching fire safety, along with restoring the fire area, as community service?
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#138238 - 06/30/08 05:01 PM
Re: Once Again, a Signal Fire Out of Control
[Re: dweste]
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5357
Loc: SOCAL
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IIRC the hunter who set the signal fire that eventually became the Cedar Fire in San Diego back in Oct 2003 got jail time. . . .The Cedar Fire was started by Sergio Martinez of West Covina, California, who claimed he was hunting in the area and had become lost. At first he claimed the fire was started accidentally by a gunshot but later said he started the fire to signal rescuers. Martinez was charged on October 7, 2004 in federal court with setting the fire and lying about it.[11] On March 10, 2005, Martinez pleaded guilty to deliberately setting fire to timber in the plea bargain under which the charge of lying to a federal officer was dropped. He faced up to five years in prison, but was instead sentenced to six months in minimum-security confinement, which allowed him to leave for work and other commitments, 960 hours of community service, and five years' probation. He was also ordered to pay $9,000 in restitution. . .
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#138255 - 06/30/08 07:44 PM
Re: Once Again, a Signal Fire Out of Control
[Re: Russ]
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Registered: 06/10/08
Posts: 601
Loc: Southern Cal
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Are we talking about setting a brush fire to signal searchers or lighting a small, contained fire or perhaps 3 as I believe that's the preferred method of signaling for help?
Anyone who purposely sets a brush fire is an arsonist, someone who lights a controlled fire(s) to attract the attention of rescuers is a member of these forums...;^)
John E
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#138260 - 06/30/08 08:19 PM
Re: Once Again, a Signal Fire Out of Control
[Re: JohnE]
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Old Hand
Registered: 12/10/07
Posts: 844
Loc: NYC
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I could see someone not knowing how to keep a contained, not pick or clear an area to prevent that spread of fire, etc. They probably do not belong where they ended up wanting to build a rescue fire.
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