My NION stove just came yesterday and it is much smaller then I expected, I thought it was going to be made out of an old coke can, but instead it was made out of the smaller v8 cans! Everything is great! the stove boiled water in no time flat...I recommend them now! It is really high quality workmanship! I will take it through its paces on my next backpacking trip in August. If you want pictures and I review just ask!