typical outward bound cheap cheezy macho crapola.. we are gonna fight momm a nature and win.." blah-blah.. my 2 courses in outdoor survival at 2 different comm colleges featured : ex viet nam vet /air born ranger type.. hillbilly from Pa.. and the other teacher was same, hillybilly from south ohio.. ex usaf.. radio intercept guy and special projects dude stationed in deuthchland, 1/2 kilometer from the fence"..i mean, who would u rather be lost out in the boonies with? your average nols or outward bound type, once they lose their 1800$ of back pack equipment produced in the 3rd world for like 43.57$-sold in us of A for 1800$ they are n big trouble..u keep challenging momma nature, u are in big trouble.. in hillyheaven where i grew up in upstate ny, allegheny mnt area- the old saying,we are not out of the woods -yet"applies..