Since you guys are looking for specific models that appear to be out of date, you might want to do a search on eBay.

SOMEBODY is bound to have found one in a drawer somewhere that they are now selling for little or nothing. Make sure you look at locations and shipping cost... that could nearly double your price.

Here's one I found on a quick search for "Alpiner":
Ebay Auction, Alpiner.

And no, I don't work for eBay. This is just the way I generally solve these kind of problems. <img src="images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />