Since you guys are looking for specific models that appear to be out of date, you might want to do a search on eBay.
SOMEBODY is bound to have found one in a drawer somewhere that they are now selling for little or nothing.  Make sure you look at locations and shipping cost...  that could nearly double your price.  
Here's one I found on a quick search for "Alpiner": 
Ebay Auction, Alpiner. And no, I don't work for eBay.  This is just the way I generally solve these kind of problems.  <img src="images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />