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| #135135 - 06/08/08 12:58 PM  Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC
[Re: dweste] |  
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I like your modular idea.  I have had, however, the male/female thingies fail on me, so I group items on a semi-large keychain key and just put it on or take it off the carabiner.  But you still have a slick idea. |  
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| #135147 - 06/08/08 01:45 PM  Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC
[Re: M_a_x] |  
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"...hunters use FMJ to minimize the thread to the environment (expanding bullets are standard though)..."
 That I do not understand at all...
 
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| #135148 - 06/08/08 01:52 PM  Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC
[Re: sodak] |  
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"...I have had, however, the male/female thingies fail on me..."
 So have I, but rarely.  I use them on my normal carry keys (a pretty large bunch of keys and stuff by the way), and have been using this particular "pull apart" for probably ten or eleven years now.  The trick is to buy quality, usually from a lock/key shop.  The ones you see near the checkout at WallyWorld are usually not high quality, those will normally fail much sooner.  I have had worse luck with the little gate springs breaking on the "not for climbing" mini-biners...
 
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| #135154 - 06/08/08 02:26 PM  Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC
[Re: OldBaldGuy] |  
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I have had, however, the male/female thingies fail on me...So have I, but rarely.  I use them on my normal carry keys (a pretty large bunch of keys and stuff by the way), and have been using this particular "pull apart" for probably ten or eleven years now.  The trick is to buy quality, usually from a lock/key shop.  The ones you see near the checkout at WallyWorld are usually not high quality, those will normally fail much sooner.Exactly what I was going to post. The ones that I use are Victorinox stainless steel coupling key fobs  and I have never had one come apart unintentionally.   Jim
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| #135156 - 06/08/08 03:12 PM  Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC
[Re: OldBaldGuy] |  
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I don't either.  I don't know any hunter who uses FMJ, nor do I know of any threat to the environment from bullets.  I've been a hunter for 28 years, grew up in a family of hunters.  In fact, FMJ is illegal in some states for hunting purposes, as it is considered inhumane.  
 Flesh is elastic, and fmj will make a small hole, pass through, and that hole closes up.  Unless it hits something immediately fatal, it means a wounded animal.
 
 And let's be clear, even a heart shot is not always immediately fatal - that's a Hollywood myth.  The heart can continue to beat and circulate when damaged - depending on the extent of the damage.
 
 The only certain immediate stopper is a hit the the CNS - the brain or upper brain stem.  Most gunshot wound fatalities are caused by blood loss and shock.
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| #135158 - 06/08/08 03:20 PM  Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC
[Re: OldBaldGuy] |  
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Usually hunters would use expanding bullets for the better effect. The bullets tend to fragment and some of the fragments spray from the exit wound. In most cases that is not a problem when hunting. A hunting magazine conducted a test and found that the fragments may cover an angle of about 45° from the original direction of the shot. When tracking down a wounded animal with the help of a dog (the dog must be used around here), the dog may be in that cone and get hit. This is why for this situation usually FMJ is used. It does not pose a thread to such a big area. That does not mean that there is no risk of unintended hits though. The probable deflection was found to be up to 10°. 
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| #135168 - 06/08/08 07:48 PM  Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC
[Re: M_a_x] |  
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"...When tracking down a wounded animal with the help of a dog (the dog must be used around here), the dog may be in that cone and get hit..."
 I guess that is possible, if the dog is behind the wounded animal.  Seems a little farfetched to me, but then I haven't hunted in your part of the world...
 
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| #135238 - 06/09/08 04:03 AM  Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC
[Re: OldBaldGuy] |  
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Dogs for big game are illegal around here.  
 Frankly, I have recovered the bullet inside the animal.  Soft points don't usually fragment, they mushroom.
 
 I wouldn't be shooting at the animal with my dog in the area.  Seems pretty stupid to me.
 
 What do you need the dog for, anyway?  If you make a clean shot, you don't have to chase the animal very far.
 
 I think there is some misinformation here.
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| #148954 - 09/15/08 02:23 PM  Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC
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Nice EDC set-up.  I suggest you add 1-2 hot ironed yellow/ orange bandanas, inserted into a Gerber Breast Milk Bag.  You can reinforce the bag edges with duct tape and even scotch tape on to the bag some extra flat rolled duct tape.  Its a good pocket carry bandage/smoke mask/signal flag/dew rag.  Works for me anyway. +1 on the bandanas
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