#133892 - 05/28/08 01:27 PM
Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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When I came across the pocketref, I was thinking about this idea while trying to add on some more books to my order with amazon to make the shipping charge worth while.
After looking at Sequaia's web site (the publisher), it doesn't but is there a publisher out that offers a survival book of some sort along the lines of the pocketref?
Such topics to include would be (imho): -first aid -communications (hand signals - to a helicotor for instance, morse code, how to communicate over radio, etc) -basic survival needs (fire, shelters, etc) -knots -how to use a compass -basic maps -trapping -fishing -urban survival -hurricane/tornado warning levels -top 5-10 language translations (words & phrases, pictures assoicated to the related words, etc) -can have some of the topics that are in the pocketref (or deskref), like: general info, general science, calendar, hardware, geology, math, etc.
Extra points if its all on waterproof paper and the same size as the pocketref (3.2"x5.4"x0.9")! So, does such a book exist?
You can get Sequaia's pocketref and pocket partner (mainly for the first aid) and you have a tonne of info but none of really for the 'outdoors'.
Just an idea... Kris
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#133895 - 05/28/08 01:54 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
[Re: Kris]
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Good point... Is there a good quality waterproof wilderness survival pocketref out there?
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#133898 - 05/28/08 02:01 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
[Re: Kris]
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I have several copies of both stashed all around. There are already certain sections of the PocketRef which could be in an urban survival guide but most of the info would not be helpful.
If such a book existed I would buy one in a heartbeat.
Any pocket reference is nice to have though. You never know when you're going to need it. I needed to buy some bulk Hydrochloric acid once and the PocketRef helped me calculate how much it would weigh!
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#133910 - 05/28/08 02:57 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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You will find eerything & more by going to Amazon.com and putting the following into their search engine: "cal99 The Mariner's Pocket Companion (paperback)"
I don't recommend getting a used copy.
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#133912 - 05/28/08 03:22 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
[Re: Kris]
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I don't know for sure, never having actually seen one, but the mini SAS survival manual might work...
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#133914 - 05/28/08 03:42 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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The mini SAS book is good but buy a Freznel magnifier at the same time. It's even smaller than the PocketRef and the print and diagrams are identical to the full size book...only tiny. I carry one in a ziptop (with a Freznel) in my EDC shoulder bag. If you want to actually read the book I highly recommend picking up the full size copy.
Unfortunately the SAS guide is very 'global' and I'm carrying around information about locatlities which are of no help like which plants to eat in the jungle.
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#133923 - 05/28/08 04:23 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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The SAS survival flick book was very popular but now out of print.
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#133928 - 05/28/08 04:53 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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You will find eerything & more by going to Amazon.com and putting the following into their search engine: "cal99 The Mariner's Pocket Companion (paperback)"
I don't recommend getting a used copy. All I get from amazon and google for that matter, is the "Cal 99 The Mariner's Pocket Companion Calendar", which is the reference along with a calender. But the newest I can find is from 1998. I do see the reference books (Mariner's Pocket Companion -- Had about 18 hits on amazon) from 1975 and 1986, and the rest are just uniavaible. Did some google-ing, just keeps coming back to amazon. Looked on the publisher's site, and nothing. Are they making them any more?
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#133933 - 05/28/08 05:39 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
[Re: Taurus]
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Some more idea can be found in this thread
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#133934 - 05/28/08 05:52 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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Yea, I was looking for a copy of the sas survival flickbook. Only one I found was available for 100 bucks *shudders*. Wish like hell I knew about these before they went out of print cause I'd love to get my grubby paws on a copy. Guess I'll start checking sone of the used book stores around here..........
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#133935 - 05/28/08 06:00 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
[Re: thseng]
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I wonder if Doug would feel like getting into publishing? LOL!
That thread was very useful.
As they say, the best way to learn is to copy things down into a format that will serve you best... As you do this exercise, you will tend to retain some of the information and, at least, know what type of "crib" sheets you are carrying with you.
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#133943 - 05/28/08 07:26 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
[Re: Taurus]
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So................I made my own. Same here. Distilled some of my own knowledge, training and experience plus info from references I trust, created a Word document and printed it on wateproof paper. It is meant as a memory jog and "get your shiite together" reminder, not a first-timer's tutorial. I like it and have a folded copy stashed in various kits.
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#133945 - 05/28/08 07:39 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
[Re: Kris]
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The U.S. Naval Institute Press publishes them. I had most of that info ready for posting but lost everything because the way that the Amazon.com sight was NOT interacting completely.
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#133952 - 05/28/08 08:14 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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The U.S. Naval Institute Press publishes them. I had most of that info ready for posting but lost everything because the way that the Amazon.com sight was NOT interacting completely.
This is the publisher's site: http://www.usni.org/navalinstitutepress/index.aspAny combination of "Mariner's", "Mariner", "Pocket", and/or "Companion" in their search gets nothing. Looked in all their reference sections, and can't find anything. Looks like they don't publish it anymore. I'll put this into my wife's hands (librarian and research is her forte) and see if she can find out more info. As for Taurus's idea of creating your own reference, its a good idea. I was hoping there was something out there that covered 80%+ of stuff, then I could create a suppliment that would cover the remainder. But I can see this getting out of hand, very quickly... my flaw is scope creap ;-).
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#133958 - 05/28/08 08:46 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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Here's a "get-rich-quick" idea. Set up a website that allows a user to enter his/her location and it automatically pops up a list of possible threats, local wild edible/useful plants, weather patterns and temperatures, etc... Then allow the user to buy a bound, pocket-sized book containing that information along with normal survival skill information. Anyone have the know-how/resouces to build such a thing? For the right price I'm willing to be your traveling researcher to find out the information. -Blast
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#133959 - 05/28/08 08:52 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
[Re: Kris]
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Personally, I prefer Taurus's approach.
When I first started "striking" Quartermaster in the USCG, I grabbed a standard gov't issue notepad and wrote down those items that I had to know, rarely used/needed, but had to have immediate access to when called upon.
Then I started adding notes on CBR Warfare, ASW, AAW, customs and courtesies, comms freqs, signal codes, etc, etc, etc. This notepad started out 1/4" thick and now it is >2" thick.
I am slowly but surely scanning this info into a book (minus some sensitve items). I think that after I get done, I will post a notice & offer it, via e-mail, to ETS'ers.
Then I'll start making the notes, per area, as Taurus as suggested. Being retarded, uh, I mean, retired military,,,My primary concern will be those areas between my job destinations (Illinois, Kentucky, Alabama, & Texas) and my home (Louisiana).
The US Naval Institute Press does still print the Mariner's Pocket Companion,,,they sell 1,000's every year to the USN, USCG, & NOAA alone. Call them and they can find them. They have probably sold out this year's edition, though.
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#133965 - 05/28/08 09:39 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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The front section contains info on: basic first aid, land navigation, signals, finding food and water, basic meteorology, shipboard checklists (non-applicable), etc.
So if a used one hasn't been abused, it will have all of that info in a readable condition.
The calendar portion still provides you with paper for making notes, starting fires, etc.
I used to carry 1 the entire year in my back pocket and it was still in 1 piece afterwards. The last 1 I had was in 1993. I recently gave it to a friend who was studying for his pilot's license.
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#133980 - 05/28/08 11:45 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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#133982 - 05/28/08 11:49 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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Here's a "get-rich-quick" idea. Set up a website that allows a user to enter his/her location and it automatically pops up a list of possible threats, local wild edible/useful plants, weather patterns and temperatures, etc... Then allow the user to buy a bound, pocket-sized book containing that information along with normal survival skill information. Anyone have the know-how/resouces to build such a thing? For the right price I'm willing to be your traveling researcher to find out the information. -Blast My favorite quote as a contractor... anything is possible when time and money are unlimited. Good idea... i'm in if anyone else is. Whats one more project????? ;-)
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#133983 - 05/28/08 11:51 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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Personally, I prefer Taurus's approach.
When I first started "striking" Quartermaster in the USCG, I grabbed a standard gov't issue notepad and wrote down those items that I had to know, rarely used/needed, but had to have immediate access to when called upon.
Then I started adding notes on CBR Warfare, ASW, AAW, customs and courtesies, comms freqs, signal codes, etc, etc, etc. This notepad started out 1/4" thick and now it is >2" thick.
I am slowly but surely scanning this info into a book (minus some sensitve items). I think that after I get done, I will post a notice & offer it, via e-mail, to ETS'ers.
If you need help, hollar. Sounds like an interesting project.
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#134126 - 05/30/08 01:56 AM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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Some of you might be interested in using this web app to create a pocket-sized reference booklet: http://www.pocketmod.com/With some creative folding and cutting, the printed output creates 8 pages per 8.5"x11" sheet of paper. It's limited (you can only format and create the 8 pages at a time), but worth playing with.
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#134127 - 05/30/08 02:03 AM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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Hello, Ainokea. Welcome to this fun, informative forum.
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#134128 - 05/30/08 02:05 AM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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Thank you for the welcome... I finally dug up my password and figured I ought to post every once in a while!
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#134159 - 05/30/08 01:02 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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Some of you might be interested in using this web app to create a pocket-sized reference booklet: http://www.pocketmod.com/With some creative folding and cutting, the printed output creates 8 pages per 8.5"x11" sheet of paper. It's limited (you can only format and create the 8 pages at a time), but worth playing with. What great little app... Did they have a Word template for it?
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#134165 - 05/30/08 01:51 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
[Re: Ainokea]
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Wow, where was this stuff back when I was working and could have really used it? I can still make use of it tho, thanks...
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#134166 - 05/30/08 01:52 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
[Re: Ainokea]
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Is there a waterproof paper that is good to use with an inkjet printer?
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#134167 - 05/30/08 01:54 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
[Re: Mike_H]
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I have never tried it, but would normal photo paper be at least semi-waterproof???
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#134168 - 05/30/08 01:56 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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Some photo paper is some isn't. I have a Samsung photo printer that uses a heat transfer ribbon instead of ink and it's completely waterproof. See that? That's the lightbulb going off...only took 2 pages of posts to figure it out.
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#134171 - 05/30/08 02:01 PM
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Answered my own question: Waterproof Injet Paper
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#134172 - 05/30/08 02:03 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
[Re: Mike_H]
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Here you go: Rite in the Rain Pete
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#134174 - 05/30/08 02:17 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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and national geographic adventure paper is made for having maps and trip itinerary printed on them! Or you could just laminate it??
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#134176 - 05/30/08 02:27 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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Laminating would probably work, but the edges where you make the cut might be compromised. Plus, in my experience laminated paper doesn't do well when you fold and unfold it a lot...
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#134177 - 05/30/08 02:38 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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I definitely would not want to go with a laminated solution.
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#134185 - 05/30/08 03:42 PM
Re: Pocket Ref - Survival Edition???
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The last time I wrecked my smartphone I used PocketMod to keep track of myself until I could get a replacement (sad that my world has come to this but that's how many of us live these days). I also experimented with the Hipster PDA: http://www.diyplanner.com/templates/official/hpdaIt's the same idea as PocketMod only instead of sectioning a sheet of paper you print onto index cards. The template download has a huge number of templates and in many paper sizes so you can pick what size of index card best suits your needs....or pocket. Personally I like PocketMod a bit better because I can print one a day and keep things tiny. I found with HPDA I'd have more cards every day...just in case. Plus you can print a PocketMod almost anywhere...not the case with index cards.
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