ya teh wilderness solutions ones are amazing and really peices of art. I have the water buffalo horn one and love the weight. Jeff does take a while but they are amazing once you have it! they are actually a lot smaller than I thought they would be but i actually like it better. i have used char coth to jute to manilla rope to my "tinder" to my kindling to my fuel to make a fire I works really well for me. One thing is that you need to carry some vasaline with you so what I did was take one of the blister pak gum things (or like what claritine comes in) and just filled one cell with fasaline and then tape over it. It has worked well for me and is very usefull. It does take some practice and tecnique tho