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#129415 - 04/06/08 03:45 AM Re: Deciding which signal mirror and whistle to ch [Re: hikermor]
tomfaranda Offline
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Registered: 02/14/08
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Why don't you just use an old CD for a signaling mirror? They're plenty shiny, have a whole in the middle to aim the thing, and are free.

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#129417 - 04/06/08 03:55 AM Re: Deciding which signal mirror and whistle to ch [Re: tomfaranda]
Hacksaw
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CDs have been proven to not work nearly as well as a real mirror. Better than nothing but not what I'd pick if had the choice.

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#129423 - 04/06/08 12:33 PM Re: Deciding which signal mirror and whistle to choose [Re: raptor]
ironraven Offline
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I like the Rescue Flash, but I'm also interested in the compact one that CountyComm has in their inventory right now. Smaller, yes, but sometimes a smaller one with you counts more than best but in the pack someplace else. I'm very pleased with the technical aspects of the mini mirror that AMK is putting in the SOL.

As for whistles... I'm going to be a heretic here. I do not like the Fox 40 Micro. Love it's larger siblings, but the two I bought can not be blow. They can be forcefully tooted, but it is not instinctive. ARC has carried a whistle very similar to the ACME 363 which I really like for a small whistle, not sure if they are the same thing. To me, a signal whistle that can be faintly blown by someone weezing with a punctured lung and a concussion is better than one that need a good pair of bellows and remembers how to use it, no matter how much better the output is.
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#129425 - 04/06/08 12:58 PM Re: Deciding which signal mirror and whistle to ch [Re: ironraven]
Russ Offline
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I agree regarding the Fox 40 Micro, I get better volume from an old whistle I pulled from a teakettle I destroyed.
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#129426 - 04/06/08 01:40 PM Re: Deciding which signal mirror and whistle to ch [Re: Russ]
Nomad Offline
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Mirror.. I prefer the ACR mirror. Solid hi strength plastic. Been carrying one for years and very little scratching. I think it floats but I have not tried it. Very strong. It would be difficult to break it. Comes with their whistle for $11 at most marine stores in the US.

I have used it for signaling many times. Light weight too.
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#129432 - 04/06/08 05:29 PM Re: Deciding which signal mirror and whistle to choose [Re: raptor]
raptor Offline
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Registered: 04/05/08
Posts: 288
Loc: Europe
Thanks everyone for tips/experiences!

ACR definitely looks like a company I should add to my list. Their combo of mirror and whistle looks great(I guess this is what you described, Nomad - http://www.acrelectronics.com/hotshot/hotshot.html ). It has also a cylindrical float so it doesn´t sink.

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sometimes a smaller one with you counts more than best but in the pack someplace else


You are right, ironraven. I should replace StarFlash Ultra on my list with the smaller and lighter StarFlash.

I have created a small comparative list of the mirrors I am interested in regarding size, weight and the ability to float.

StarFlash (Ultimate Survival)
Size: 2" x 3" (5.1 x 7.6 cm)
Weight: 0.7 oz (19.9g)
floats

Hot Shot + whistle (ACR)
Size: 4.25 x 2.75 x .19 in. (10.8 x 7.0 W x .5 cm)
Weight: 1.8 oz (51 g)
floats

Rescue Flash (AMK)
SIZE: 3&#8221; tall x 2&#8221; wide (7.62 x 5.08 cm)
WEIGHT: 0.32 oz (9.1 g)
doesn´t float

Rescue Flash from AMK looks like a very small and lightweight mirror, exactly for EDC. It doesn´t float but I could make some small float for it. Hot Shot should be lighter since I believe 51 g is the weight of the whole combo.

As for whistle after further research I really started to like the ACR one. Thanks for suggesting it.

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#129436 - 04/06/08 06:03 PM Re: Deciding which signal mirror and whistle to choose [Re: ]
MoBOB Offline
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Registered: 09/17/07
Posts: 1219
Loc: here
Hacksaw,

Which whistle; the Classic or Mini?

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#129449 - 04/06/08 08:27 PM Re: Deciding which signal mirror and whistle to ch [Re: ]
BobS Offline
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Registered: 02/08/08
Posts: 924
Loc: Toledo Ohio
Originally Posted By: Hacksaw
CDs have been proven to not work nearly as well as a real mirror. Better than nothing but not what I'd pick if had the choice.


Want to see a cool thing with a CD? Put it in the microwave and set it for 15-seconds and look through the window.

You will see a dancing lightning storm right above the CD, it looks cool.


PS don’t use a CD you value as it will be junk after this.


As far as using a CD to signal, I’m sure they would work. But they are somewhat breakable to pack around.

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#129451 - 04/06/08 08:52 PM Re: Deciding which signal mirror and whistle to choose [Re: raptor]
raptor Offline
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Registered: 04/05/08
Posts: 288
Loc: Europe
The only advantage of CDs is that they are really thin. So you could easily pack say 10 CDs and then improvise and attach them to some sort of board (wood, ...) and make a very large signal "mirror" consisting of several CDs.

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#129459 - 04/06/08 10:56 PM Re: Deciding which signal mirror and whistle to choose [Re: raptor]
Taurus Offline
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Registered: 11/26/07
Posts: 458
Loc: Northern Canada
Hey Raptor.

I use both the jetscream and the starflash and love them for my own reasons. Heres what I can base off of my own experiences after using a lot of the others as well.

Jetscream-(PROS) very,very loud with very little effort. When you put force behind it it will actually make your ears ring because its so loud but even a small effort will produce a very clear sharp signal. The holes are large and will not easily clog in a dusty enviroment(or in extream cold when ice can block the holes).flushing it with water will clean it right out. It is the toughest model I have yet used and can withstand abuse even when it is -50 deg cel outside.(my fox 40 shattered in the Alberta cold, and my slimline would constantly block with ice from my breath) It is flat and stores better than some of the bulgie types(in my kit anyway) and it is plactic compared to metal(the army still issues metal whistles which will freeze to your lips in winter if not careful)

CONS- For some crazy reason I could not figure out, all models came in black insted of a high vis color like yellow,orange or glow in the dark. this may have changed, I have had mine for a while now. They are some of the more expensive ones so buying in bulk may be a problem(7-9 bucks each) and they are a bit on the large side.(not ideal for a keychain)

STARFLASH-(PROS)This was the only model that stood up to Military use when used in extream cold weather. All other plastic models cracked on me.(my rescue flash came apart but the mirror part stayed intact,My Coghlans out right shattered) It will float quite well If you use it in a marine enviroment. Very lightweight compared to some other models out there.

CONS- Very easy to stratch. I cover mine with that foam stuff that comes in pocket flyfishing tackle and it works great. I wish they came with a protective cover of some sort though. I think it "aims" as well as the next but I wouldnt say it was any better or worst.

I cannot really say what is BEST in comparison to everything else on the market, That depends entirely on what you need/want the items for(for example, not everyone trains in the Arctic like I do) but I can honestly tell you that I have used these items in some of the worst possible places to find yourself in and have never been let down yet. I wont be replacing the starflash or jetscream in any of my kits in the near future because above all else they have served me flawlessly.

Of course, these are only my personal observations/experiences, hope I may have been a bit of help to you

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