I believe it was the early camping writer "Nessmuck" who decried "roughing it" and said he wanted to make it easy ( I am paraphrasing past my bedtime <img src="images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />) Sure, I can build a bowdrill fire to impress the ladies-trouble is, some 11 y/o scout with matches has a warm fire going 20 ' behind my back with said ladies setting him up with younger sisters <img src="images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />