Brad, Your post is not innapropriate. Please reread Doug's essay "This is not a survivalist site" on the homepage. The subjects are well served by several other websites; many of which are linked here. I think there is a very American mythos in the whole post apocalyptic scenarios of 'survivalists.' Our history is based on expansion; territorial,trade,scientific, even civil rights. Anybody feeling dysenfranchised could "go west" or invent the airplane and fly off. Our options seem much more limited now. An elite few have gone into space while opportunities seem ever fewer on the ground for the rest of us. So for the 'disenfranchised', a major social or environmental collapse is actually restoring the wilderness.