You might take a look at http://www.eberlestock.com

In full disclosure I do not have one YET. I have "read" great things about the packs though and will be purchasing one sometime this year.


-JRJ

Forum member Taurus loves Eberlestock and I'm sure would tell you all kinds of wonderful things about them if he were here to do so.

if the bergan is of interest check ebay always several there new and used personnely use the 120lt bergan for camping and the smaller other arms version for my bobs.

Jackal and all:

Is the PLCE Bergen with the 2.8 kg weight as shown the same item as the 90 pattern PLCE Infantry Rucksack discussed in the second paragraph? That is, does Bergen = rucksack?

I read the Wiggy’s site to show the 4.61 kg weight includes a sternum strap, waist belt, detachable daypack, hydration space, many pockets, and advanced materials and fittings. I wonder if the extra 1.8 kg might be worth it for Wiggy’s quality, etc.

Bergen is from the manufacturer's name "Bergans" usually associated with the British Armed Forces. bergans come in various types and sizes.

Other Arms Bergan is shorter backed and you can add pouches to the sides for more carry space



Rucksack - Patrol Pack PLCE 30Ltr



PLCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Load_Carrying_Equipment

I recently bought a GoLite Quest. I really like it.
http://www.golite.com/Product/proddetail.aspx?p=PA5257&s=1

It has a full internal frame, but it weighs only about 3.2 lbs, about a third of the Wiggy's pack. It doesn't have quite as many pockets as I like, but it fits well and is a pound lighter than my old pack. Light is good.

Fit, by the way, is a big issue. I'm a 6 footer. Most every thing I buy is size L or XL. I've been backpacking with a size L pack lo these many years. I went and got fitted. I'm a freakin' size M. Long legs, shorter torso. Switching to a size M pack made a huge difference in carrying comfort. Huge.

A budy of mine bought an Osprey recently. He really likes it, and it has the detachable daypack feature. Great for trips where you hike in to a "base camp" and then do peak bagging or side trips from your base camp.

For my large BOB, I have what essentially amounts to the MOLLE II Core Rifleman Set. I put together for around $100.00- $125.00 (estimate). It's used gear, but with the exception of the initial coat of dirt in some cases and the lightening of age in others it's all in great shape. I don't have all of the magazine pouches, but I don't need them either.

I like it a lot, but truthfully it's overkill and has been pared down somewhat in some instances and added to in others. I dropped the MOLLE II vest for a low key hunting vest with multiple pockets, so I lost the magazine and grenade pouches as well. I don't need the Sleep Carrier because my MSS bag comes with it's own compression sack and MOLLE attachments. The buttpack stays rolled up in one of the Sustainment pouches. I'm going to replace the Day Pack with something a little more sporty and less cammie eventually.

On top of it all I attach my Eureka K2 XT... I wish I'd gotten the expedition yellow now instead of green... LOL

With it all on I look like an overloaded goof.

Really I don't like being all camoed up like that. Not being seen draws a lot of attention. LOL