I'm surprised Leatherman (or any of the other brands) don't make a full sized pliers with full goodies but no knife. There are many places these days where you can't take a knife inside (court houses, government buildings...even your every day job might prevent it). There have been many times I wish I could replace the blade in my Gerber multipliers with something that would let me take it in at work...the knife on some multi tools are the pits anyhow.