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#124663 - 02/21/08 02:58 PM Re: BOB Question [Re: TheSock]
benjammin Offline
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Citation of Executive Orders against Hoarding

This appears to be someone else's effort to compile a list of executive orders that tend toward anti-hoarding rules.

From here, you could look up the orders directly and see the content and make your conclusions.
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#124667 - 02/21/08 03:11 PM Re: BOB Question [Re: benjammin]
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If you want to read Clinton's Order of 1994, consolidating prior executive orders, see: http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/12919.htm

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#124670 - 02/21/08 03:11 PM Re: BOB Question [Re: benjammin]
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Here's yet another compilation: "Your Handy Guide to US Martial Law". I'm surprised there hasn't yet been written a Martial Laws and Hoarding for Dummies grin
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#124676 - 02/21/08 03:26 PM Re: BOB Question [Re: ]
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Montana does have a hording law:

Section 4. Unconscionable pricing prohibited. (1) During a declaration of a state of emergency or a finding of an abnormal market disruption, a person may not offer for sale at an unconscionable price an essential good or service, at retail or wholesale, within the affected area.

(2) A price is prima facie unconscionable if it is 10% or more above the average price charged by a person for the essential good or service during the 30 days before the declaration of a state of emergency or the finding of an abnormal market disruption.

(3) If a person did not offer for sale an essential good or service, at retail or wholesale, within an affected area during the 30 days before the declaration of the state of emergency or the finding of an abnormal market disruption, it is a prima facie violation of subsection (1) to charge a price that represents a gross disparity from the price at which the good or service was readily obtainable in the affected area during the 30 days immediately before the declaration or finding.

Section 5. Hoarding prohibited. During a declaration of a state of emergency or a finding of an abnormal market disruption, a person may not engage in hoarding an essential good or service.

This section would be the one that appropriate, but they say only the hoarding of "...essential good or service."
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#124678 - 02/21/08 03:30 PM Re: BOB Question [Re: BruceZed]
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I wonder if it's by design that a definition of "hoarding" quantity-wise is omitted (at least as cited) so as to maintain flexibility. I've seen, in some contexts, anything over a 30-day supply.
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#124679 - 02/21/08 03:36 PM Re: BOB Question [Re: xbanker]
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I've read that more than 3 days of supplies in a household constitutes hoarding!
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#124681 - 02/21/08 03:37 PM Re: BOB Question [Re: wildman800]
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Time to turn in my Costco card then.
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#124694 - 02/21/08 04:46 PM Re: BOB Question [Re: ]
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Unless you were depriving those around you by doing so (ie: Buying every bottle of bottled water, canned good, etc) I can't see how this would be an issue.

Unless you were trying to sell it or flaunt it.

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#124711 - 02/21/08 06:43 PM Re: BOB Question [Re: ]
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Hiding only means they will go to greater lengths to find it. If an agency like this suspects you have something, usually either by informants or by casing your mo over time, they will come in and tear the place up until they find what they are looking for. It's not much different than when someone like the DEA or ATF decide a residence has contraband on it, whether they have real proof or not, it is their level of certainty, also known as reasonable suspicion, that gets them in the door with the metal detectors and the ground penetrating radar and the sniffer hounds and they will tear up everything, inlcuding the back yard and the walls of your house, until they either find what they are looking for or by process of elimination determine it simply isn't there. Oh and once they are done demolishing your house, they might apologize, pack up, and leave. Good luck making a claim for damages then. You are not likely to receive any remuneration whatsoever.
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#124719 - 02/21/08 08:01 PM Re: BOB Question [Re: benjammin]
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I don't think the DEA or ATF is going to be coming looking unless you give them some reason to. The news stories of this happening are usually people who are suspected of doing something illegal anyway and OTOH you always hear news stories of someone finding a cache hidden in a house from where someone that lived through the depression mistrusted the bank and stashed away money or coins or gold. It seem to me that caches tend to get found by the next owner of the house rather than some .gov agency looking for it.

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