Friend is re-entering active outdoor life after decades as a desk jockey. He has a Wiggy sleeping bag and a few miscellaneous personal items (notably a Leatherman Supertool) , but is really building his kit from the ground up.

I gave him a basic survival kit and a basic personal first aid kit, and a couple survival, primitive shills, edible and useful plant books. He is signed up for a land navigation and wilderness survival course in about 4 months.

Leaving aside the question of a decent fixed blade knife for now because he can borrow one, how should he spend his $600 budget?

I suggested a Goretex bivy sack, simple alcohol stove, a black anodized aluminum cook kit, a ground cloth, sil tarp, mucho paracord, compass, and a decent backpack. This will challenge his shopping, trading, scrounging skills.

What would you suggest?

Good quality boots and socks.

In addition to your suggestions (all good) I'd add good clothing in layers including a spare change and including boots. Depending on what 'outdoor life' is he may need a good hatchet or saw depending on his skills.

How about a flashlight, I would recommend a headlamp version and a small handheld.

Needs a way to sharpen his tools also, cheap diamond rod?

Mike

I really recommend your buddy wait on the expenditures until he has researched it himself a bit more. While there is an almost inexhaustible list of suggestions for gear we could come up with here, I think by far the best he can do is to get out there and try what he's got now or what he can get for little or nothing and see what his needs might be. Gearing up really needs to be secondary to thnking through. Perhaps a better investment of the $600 would be more education/instruction and hands on time.

I think you've got him set up well enough as is for now. Let him do some discovery first, then maybe he will come up with a specific list of needs/desires that we can help him with that will be a lot more meaningful.

For a quick, general recommendation now, I'd say if he's in the wilderness he will need shelter, a way to acquire and purify water, a means of making fire, and a means of signalling both visual and audible. With the right training, all of these can be met real cheaply, like less than $100 for sure.

You don't say whether your friend will be outdoors in Texas or North Dakota (assume Texas), hiking distances, car camping, or hunting camps, or how much clothing he already owns. But he's signed up for a 'wilderness survival course' in four months which sounds aggressive to me for someone just getting back into outdoor living from behind a desk. Possibly the organizers of that course have a pack list that will guide him in purchases. Most wouldn't want to support a camper without a core of gear. Anyway, in order of priority:

Boots - buy what fits. That soaks up $140-200 of your $600 budget.

Pants, shirts, socks, underwear etc - a survival course calls for moderate to better quality wear, so careful shopping for the usual convertible pants, wool and polypro stuff will net you another $75-125. otoh any longish survival course calls for 4 pair of wool socks, eating up another $60-80 of your budget.

Waterproof layer - you may find decent deals at Campmor, Sierra Trading Post, Backcountry Outlet etc. REI's February sale is just ending, there were some good in-store deals on Marmot Precip gear. Or go surplus and buy a heavyish poncho.

Pack - again, if he's gonna carry this stuff along a trail, go for what fits him best and fits his gear. Probably $150-200 again. Best cheap light sleeping pad is a traditional blue foam or Thermarest Z-Rest.

Tent/bivy - he should take his lead from you, if the environment permits it go light and tentless. I would avoid the pricey goretex though and save on a more basic bag cover, like the Montbell Dry-tec ($130 vs $180 for the goretex version). Has worked great for me for 3+ years, dry inside in snow or rain.

Sleeping bag - this seems to be a religious issue with hikers, you're better off going in store and trying some out, then choose the cheapest (and second most comfortable). When it comes down to it most modern bags work great in most weather, which is what I think your budget allows. Figure $150 for a moderate priced bag, probably not down.

I think we're at $600 and your friend is half dressed and somewhat exposed to the elements, without a warm layer, and without food or a way to prepare it, or 8-9 of the essentials. Shop garage sales, eBay, Craiglist etc to make your budget goal.

I guess this kind of question is what the backpacking gear forums are made for, but usually you aren't trying to outfit anyone from ground zero or on a low-moderate budget like $600, and not with a wilderness survival course or adventure looming on the calendar. My own summertime hiking gear weighs in at 20-30 lbs depending on frills and food, but it was bought over time and mostly on special. You'll get lots of advice about living under an issue poncho and eating MREs etc, which may make fiscal sense but I'm no judge of your friend and what his preferences may be. He could take to sleeping under the stars or feel better in a tent. When all is said and done he will a. borrow alot of your gear just starting out and b. maybe model himself after you and whoever he hikes / camps with. And if he goes on a real wilderness survival experience that will whittle down his priorities to things that maybe he wouldn't purchase right off.

Get him out now, this coming weekend, without his gear of choice, sharing your gear and experiences. See how often he can fit being outdoors into his desk schedule, that will decide if he's ready for a survival course. He probably has some cobwebs and a few pounds to shake off before he's ready. I guess I'm pretty leery of throwing anyone into that bathwater straight off.

This is SO true. With enough knowledge, you don't really need that much equipment...I'm sad to admit.

I agree he should not try to buy it all at one time. We all have different likes and there are items one of us will proclaim as a must have item that others would never use. He needs to get out and tent camp. I have found tent camping a very good way to work through gear and procedures as to what works and more important what doesn’t work for me.

After a summer of camping a person should have a very good base of experiences to pull from for future outings and for the filling out of his BOB. And it’s fun to camp. Other then in a downpour, but even then you learn valuable things.


Spreading out the expenses over a summer will also make better use of your money then trying to get it all from one day of hunting the outdoor stores in your area.

Garage sales, the Salvation Army & Goodwill stores can be a great resource for a person on a tight budget.

As mentioned, much depends on the activity: Hiking? Car camping? One day? Multiple days? Time of year and weather? Remote or not-so-remote? Etc.

• "Gore-Tex bivy and silnylon tarp" — Even moderate quality for both might take as much as 1/3 his budget. I'd consider, at first, putting the bivy on hold, and get just the tarp since he has presumably a good bag in the Wiggy (unless expected conditions somehow dictate a bivy).

• "Simple alcohol stove" — If $$$ really become an issue, for now he could make his own soda- or beer-can alcohol stove for next-to-nothing; many do a credible job; Google search will find a number of websites with step-by-step instructions.

• Water — Assume the PSK you gave him includes MicroPur tablets or similar. But what about his main supply? Depends on factors not provided (how long; how far; expected water sources), but needs the means to carry water (e.g. Nalgene bottles or similar) and/or a reasonably good water filter.

• Bandana — Inexpensive; multiple uses.

• Cup of some sort — Snow Peak, or variation of sierra cup etc.

• Boots/socks — Already mentioned.

• Fire Building — Main source, e.g. ferro rod/tinder (assumes PSK contains backup like a mini-BIC).

• Decent signal mirror — Included in the PSK?

• Flashlight — An LED headlamp, which can double as a standard flashlight if budget won't permit both.

• Topo map(s) — Of the areas to be traveled (and the ability to read them).

And as stressed by others, good foundation of knowledge and skills.

A good compass.

If he is the type of person that likes to tinker and build his own stuff he can save a lot of money. And it allows you to also customize store bought item to better suit your personal needs better.

Some of us (myself included) take a fair amount of joy making or modifying things to fill our needs. The internet is full of like minded people that post their ideas along this line.

Update:

Stealth fitness plan:

• Walking and carrying golf bag [about 25 pounds], 9 holes [about 2 miles] 3 times a week [weekday dawn patrol], to increase to 18 holes [about 4 miles].

• Weekend naturalist half-day courses at hilly regional park, mostly foraging / primitive skills, roughly once every three weeks.

• Gearing up to do some cycling for aerobics.

• Going to keep handing him heavy stuff to carry.

• Going to invite him to orienteer events.

Wilderness land navigation/ survival skill course is summertime [hot days, cool nights], state park, developed campgrounds and trails, about 1 ½ days.

Gear: Bringing him along to my monthly thrift store run.

Clothes, boots: he’s got what he needs for now and will be wearing them playing golf. [I could use a couple things!].

Dirt time [camping out]: Problematic. All I can do is encourage and invite.

I expect he will wind up replacing almost all of his initial gear over a few years if he sticks with it.

I will pass along a printout of all your great comments and suggestions.

Thanks.

Sidenote: The Walmarts here in Houston are clearing out their hunting gear and two-packs of heavy wool socks are going for $5.00

Academy Sports has all their thermal underware going for 30-50% off.

-Blast

I'm with Blast. Buy good socks when they're on sale and buy extras when they are. No matter how fat or thin you get you're always going to need the same socks.

My sock drawer is a mish mash of socks. Other than the black dress socks I wear to work, every other pair is different and all the major brands are represented..Fox, Wigwam, Wright, etc. Some are very expensive which normally sell for over $10 a pair but were only 2-4 bucks a pair because I waited for the bargains. Now that I have extras I have put a pair in each of my car kits as warm and dry spares and stored permanently in my gear where I'll use them.

I wish I had socks in the car last summer. I went into a walmart in August and while I was in there it rained and hailed...lucky me I parked right over the drain that backed up and had to wade knee deep water to get to my Jeep.

What is free is he can invest his own time and initiative to research this site and others to get gobs of info. Try to avoid alot of hand-holding. If he really wants to do this then he should research and experiment(backyard camp trying new skills). He could get plenty of stuff for a few hundred bucks and save the rest for later. I would not let him borrow my knife, I'd rather just give it to him as a way of saying "welcome to the outdoors". That way he doesn't feel bad when he breaks your knife. He feels bad that he has to buy one. Then, I would march him down to a store and get something of his own. A military-style K-BAR or something similar would be fine (inexpensive), let him figure it out. I am not a representative of K-BAR.

I going along with Benjamin and others here....

I recommend a bank account. Deposit the $600 and see what develops.

Decent walking/hiking shoes, not high end boots, and some sox are all I would buy.

Beg, borrow, rent, make do with stuff he has, on all the other stuff. Form opinions, do some research and then start spending slowly on items needed.

+1 on that.

There is a lot of great information on this site, start slow and pick up what knowledge he can before making a purchase.

Or he can just send me a check for $600.00 and I'll hook him up.

Really though, you can go out and spend tons of money on gear or learn through others, not to mention actually getting out there hiking, camping etc.

An AMK PSK and good first aid kit would be a good start.

http://www.adventuremedicalkits.com/kit_...kitNO=0140-0707



Blitz

Hi diweste,

Generally speaking,the best thing for your friend to do is to increase his knowledge base, it weighs (and for the most part) costs little as well.

Please invite your friend to spend some time on Equipped To Survive Forums and look around. I'm forever poking around looking at various threads and links, the older threads present a great amount of shared wisdom.

The previous posters have made several excellent suggestions as well.

Regards,
Comanche7

Edited for better readability by C7

+1 to that Bob. Also shop craigslist, ebay and check the local REI store for their used stuff bulletin board.

Teacher

Maybe a camping hammock or 2 man tent

I'd tell him to look on yt for "homemade wanderlust", 'followbigfoot", "DarwinonthetraiL" and "flatbrokeoutside' (especially the latter) and he'll be much more knowledgable as a consumer. I'd either get used gear thru REI, or at least, get a $50, no more, Alice pack and frame, and be ready to use his underwear and socks as additional padding on his hips and shoulders. You can get by just fine with a homemmade tarp/tent, a $40 Colemen sleeping bag from wally's, and an inflatable milsurp sleeping pad, if you're not talking temps below 20F. Temps like that are quite dangerous if you're alone, especially if there's snow hiding ice and leg-breaking holes, and if you dont have a rental satellite phone, which you're crazy to be without.

Agreed - start with used gear, borrowed or rental.

Why are we dredging up posts/threads from decades past? Prior to June, the last post was from over 11 years ago.

It is still a relevant issue. How did I miss chiming in when it started? Acquisition of gear is an interactive experience, combined with learning the ropes and getting experience.

At least that is how I learned and developed many moons ago. Start with simple day hikes, progressing to more challenging and strenuous trips, and eventually to overnight and longer excursions in more extreme weather. Be sure your companions are at least as competent as you are. You can also learn a lot from books and the internet. ETS, among others, has good info.

Fundamental are the three B's - , boots, bag (sleeping), and backpack. These have to be suitable for conditions or one will be miserable, if not worse. Much of the rest of your gear can be obtained on the cheap or improvised.

You will always be buying gear and tweaking your stuff. I have been doing so for more than sixty years and there is no end in sight, although the pace has slackened a bit.

You will spend more than $600. I queried REI where I have been a member since 1963 and I have purchased over $12,000 worth of stuff since i joined. I have also purchased from other outfits.

After thought: Should not we adjust the $600 figure for inflation, considering the antiquity of this thread??