Recent article in the paper...

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008801300362

Putting hot water in some plastic (Nalgene??) bottles may release more Biphenyl A (BPA) than cold water. The article never mentions the bottles by name, but it sounds like Nalgene.

Roger

Nalgene addressed this when several stores took them off the shelves.

The amount of harmful chemicals released is so slight that you'd have to drink like 40L a day or more out of it over a sustained period of time to see even the slightest signs of ill effect.

I don't plan on switching, heck I've been drinking out of plastic bottles for many years now. We buy cases of water here because we are not completely sure of the quality of our water (natural spring on our farm). I'm sure our water is fine, since we've been bathing/washing/brushing our teeth with it for almost 20 years now. I've drank it many times out of the garden hose, man is it cold!!!

Roger

Y'know, you never see beer in plastic bottles. Maybe there is something to this...

I've had beer in plastic bottles watching sporting events. I can remember drinking at least one Miller product at a game out of a plastic 16 oz. bottle. When at a game, I normally go to a stand with beer that is a little darker in color.

I'm waiting for the story where they tell us that it turns out that Bisphenol A is actually good for us.

Forget Biphenyl A, all types of plastic water bottles have been found to contain traces of DHMO!

DHMO is made from two dangerous chemicals. For instance, one of them is thought to be responsible for the Hindenburg disaster and the other has been the subject of a great deal of attention in association with the failed Apollo 13 mission.

If you're going to make a joke about that, at least stick a smiley or something in there so you don't cause anxiety in people that don't get it.

Snopes had an article on this long before the current scare.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/petbottles.asp

Basically, the original research was some student's Master's thesis which was picked up by the media without going through any peer review and which has since been debunked.

As for Bisphenol A, there appears to be very little evidence that it poses a health risk to humans, even in large quantities. Environment California is the only organization, as far as I know, that has claimed to find a link, and their report has been criticized by other researchers as being motivated more by politics than by science.

DHMO, however, is an extremely dangerous chemical and should be banned:

http://www.dhmo.org/

You should only imbibe DMHO-tainted products from one of these drinking vessels:

http://www.kleinbottle.com/Tantalus.html

(oh, yeah - forgot the :-) )

Exactly, don't forget the smiley. Warning about DHMO with a "straight face" is just going to scare the OP or anyone else who doesn't already know the joke and might be concerned about chemicals in their water bottles.

And yet today on the local news they broadcast the same misinformation about bishpenol in plastic baby bottles being this grave health concern yet again.

Also heard that the WHO has come out to claim that tobacco accounts for 1 billion deaths annually??? Seems a bit outrageous to me. I suppose one could claim that breathing alone is responsible for billions of deaths annually, as everybody does it right up to the point of dying.

I heard that saliva might cause cancer ...

but only when consumed in small quantities over a long period of time.

That's a billion by the end of the 21st century. Not that far fetched, considering tobacco use is increasing rapidly in developing countries, they smoke often, and they smoke that really nasty, unfiltered crap.

And for the baby, just use the bottles with little baggie inserts...

ABC News had a segment last night about BPA and I also happened to be looking through a Time Magazine article which mentioned the dangers of BPA.

No wonder I keep away from the mainstream news.

BPA, the next aluminum. Remember, anything in too great a quantity is BAD. Don't be stupid and boil water in your Nalgene, don't scrub it in strong acids or alkali solutions with steel wool, and don't autoclave it.

Check the archives, there is plenty there about why these claims are best described with a pronoun that gets frowned on around here. (Not suitable for small ears.)

BTW, welcome new guy.

Ok, I'm biting.....what is DMHO? Am I correct in that its water? Di (something, ... its been awhile since chem class) hydroxide? H2O?

So, because I asked if folks thought that the study was talking about Nalgene bottles, my intelligence is somehow inferior to yours? Just like everything else, one group of "researchers" says something will kill you if you consume it, and another group will say you will die if you don't consume enough of it.

The whole DHMO joke was done many years ago, and the original version I heard was a petition given to people in a mall. This group wanted congress to outlaw all "Dihydrogen Monoxide" because of its dangers. Almost no one got the joke, and tons of people signed the petition. It was done to prove how gullible people can be, and how corny/worthless petitions can be.

Roger

BHA is one of the lesser reasons I don't drink bottled water very often. The main reason is that when your drinking bottled water your paying more per gallon than gasoline sells for.

That when municipal water is both safer and a whole lot cheaper.

Reason enough to avoid the bottled water for every-day use. But bottled water has some advantages for emergency or survival use. The water stores well. Even after more than a year I have never had an issue with bottled water. Even the cheap store-brands.

It is also packed in individual serving size. This makes it easier to distribute and increases the odds that a good percentage of the supply survives being shot up, beat down and dropped off a cliff.

And after your done drinking your water you have a handy container. A liter bottle makes using chemical treatments on questionable found water simple. Those bottles will also hold other liquids, cereals and other materials and like tin cans they can be cut up to make dinnerware and useful objects around a camp.

Okay, I'm getting some BHA when I drink the water. But it is only for a few days and it is during an emergency so some small amount of risk is marginally acceptable.

I often leave water bottles in my truck and they freeze overnight, after I thaw them out there is what looks like a small amount of white sediment in the bottom; does anyone know what this stuff is?

Mike

There are just over 6 billion people in the world. One sixth of the world population dies every year from tobacco?

In California the FDA allows you to eat Salmon with trace amounts of mercury in it. By California environmental waste laws the remaining parts of the fish must be taken to a class 2 hazardous waste facility. Of course this is not done, but is shows you how wacked out CA is when it comes to their silly 'environmental' laws.

In my neck of the woods someone always seems to stumble across an old gold mine that suddenly needs to be cleaned up. One Superfund site cost millions to remove and/or encapsulate 'toxic' soil that contained traces of arsnic and lead. One of the attorneys in the case told me that if 100 people at a tablespoon of this stuff everyday for thirty years - maybe 5 of them might develop health problems resulting from this 'toxic' mess. The incidental contact that might happen would never be a legitimate healh issue, but the different state agencies here love to rattle their sabers and make people do things that won't improve the health, safety, or welfare of the neighbors around them.

Drink On...something else is going to be your demise.

Probably stuff like floride and chlorine is my guess. That it is visible tells me it probably came from the water, not from the bottle.

I suspect that that that white powder is just normal minerals. Mostly calcium and magnesium. Most non-distilled water has a small amount of these minerals in it and they tend to precipitate out as the water freezes. In reasonable amounts both magnesium and calcium are necessary minerals for human health. Most Americans are not getting enough.

You can YouTube Penn & Teller's segment on DHMO. It is hillarious!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw

They send someone to an environmental activist gathering who goes around citing all the problems with DHMO in our environment. These folks sign the petition left and right. Some of the symptoms of DHMO exposure included sweating and increased urination.

Di hydrogen Monoxide is H2O - Water

That's one of my favorite episodes.

Close second behind the 'gourmet water bar' they make telling people they have all these waters from around the world. In reality all glasses were filled from a hose in the alley.

My apologies, that wasn't what I was implying. I guess it would've been more accurate to say "scare someone who doesn't already know the DHMO urban legend". Apparently you already know it, but not everyone does.