well what I mean though is those 10 year storage life panasonic are alkaline so they are never going to compete with eneloop because there designed for different applications. Much like a Honda and UPS truck wouldn't be used for the same function.

I had a couple things ruined by those rayovac renewals and then after having waster $30 on a rayovac nimh charger and then wanting the rayovac hybrids and finding out they were only available at walmart I gave up on rayovac.