I may be deploying overseas again as early as 09. Obviously the concept of survival takes on a whole new meaning and my thoughts will change from what to do if lost in the cold of Alberta while hunting to what to do if my chopper goes down in 50 deg cel heat. The Enemy is always the biggest threat, but the discussion of army tactics etc does not apply here and is best left for other forums. My second biggest threat to survival will be running out of water. This has happened on a few occasions and if resupply had not made it to us when it did things may have gone real bad. Being weak, dizzy and unsteady on your feet and wearing 50 pounds of gear with and empty camelbak is a very, very horrible feeling. There is a good supply of sun where I will be going, and water is issued in plastic bottles to resupply our canteens or camelbaks etc. Even though water is scarce there are a number of rivers that I remember but the water quality is VERY questionable to say the least. Although the locals drink it regularly, I know I would get quite sick due to all the little nasties that I am not used to. I will have a good supply of clear plastic bottles and plenty of sun, so my question is about the SODIS method to make water safe to drink(from germs at least). Does anyone here have any real experience and knowledge with this ? Does it actually work? I have read a few articles but I am a bit cautious on this subject. Where I live fresh water is easy to find so this topic is something I will only face when deployed.
Any info is appreciated.

It will kill a high percentage of living organisms, so decrease the
load which MAY be enough to keep you healthy.

SODIS is often used in tandem
after other water purification methods such as flocculation, settling, cloth
filters, biosand filters etc. This can greatly reduce the load and should keep most if not all folks in good shape.

I have used SODIS in Tibet, had no problems, but do not know if
there were any pathogens in the water to begin with.

I consider it a backup or an adjunct.

For treating water in a hurry for personal drinking I like
http://www.cabelas.com/spodw-1/0024875.shtml
Pour it in and start drinking. The only one I know of that
has filter, iodine, charcoal all in one.

It looks like a water bottle, so your hosts will think nothing of
it when you pour your water in. It does not supply a lot of water
however, but is handy while waiting for other disinfectant methods to work.

SODIS is a very viable way to purify water that is contaminated with bacteria. It is a way of pasturizing water using a double-whammy: ultra-vilet radiation and increased temperature.

"In 1991 EAWAG (The Swiss Federal Institute for Environmental Science and Technology) and SANDEC (EAWAG's Department of Water and Sanitation in Developing Countries) conducted extensive laboratory and field tests to develop and test the Solar Water Disinfection Process (SODIS)."

If conditions are suitable to raise the temperature of the water to 122F (50C), it only takes one hour to pasturize the water. It is recommended that the water be filtered first, even through a bandana.

http://www.sodis.ch/ and be sure to click on THE METHOD.

Sue

That 50C is the kicker for most places the Canadians go. I'd rather have something in my gear that is compact and works fairly well, rather than have to trust that it will be a warm sunny day.

I have read about SODIS - after hearing about it here - but never tried it. It is reportedly only effective in latitudes around the equator (I'm too far north).

It would certainly be good to learn about SODIS, but I would want some quicker means of purification available if possible. Assuming you're talking emergency situations in hostile areas, I wouldn't count on sitting around in one place waiting for the SODIS method to work. I guess they don't use iodine anymore these days, which is what I used to use backpacking. But some other chemical means sounds like a better option for when you'll probably be on the move. I've never been in the military myself, but I assumed that water purification would be a topic that is taught. Along with providing you the means (chemicals) to do so while on the move.

Taurus said he was looking at going to an area of 50C heat, so I would assume he would be in an area where SODIS would work. It wouldn't necessarily have to be the ONLY source of water, but it could be a good way to increase the amount of drinkable water he and his buddies have available to them.

I read somewhere that ground water in the U.S. is more likely to be contaminated with chemicals than most poor countries, as most of their water is contaminated mostly with bacteria, etc.

It's easier than a solar still.

Sue

Good point. I suppose routine temps of 50C pretty much narrow down the possible deployment locations! Still, it takes a while for SODIS to work, and it won't work if you're on the move with the water bottles inside your pack. It would be handy to have knowledge of SODIS for the times you weren't moving around however.

I have used SODIS in Ecuador and have found it works well, but keep in mind I was pretty much near the equator and in many cases high up in altitude where UV was quite high.

Pete

I always carry a purification straw for quick use, and a bunch of water purification tabs as a back up to that. Boiling water is usually not an option as the space needed for a stove is better used to add a few more mags of ammo. At home I carry a lot of nice luxury items while hunting etc but when deployed size and weight are a huge factor. As such, my survival kit is reduced considerably to make room for mission essential equipment. The water tabs the army issues are great(micropur mp1) but as each one is individually sealed they take up a lot of room in my kit. I carry at least 20 on my person plus more in the LAV. The problem is that depending on whats going on and the level of exertion it is not uncommon to drink 10-15 L of water a day in that kind of heat.(so 20 tabs wont last very long) It is easy to fill a bunch of bottles from a water source and place them on top of our LAV where the sun will beat down on them. Then if resupply is not avail then at least we have a backup plan for water. I would only attempt SODIS as a last resort if I had to, but on my last tour I learned the hard way that resupply does not arrive on time unless you don't need it(lol) I am glad that I could use SODIS as a backup until it does arrive.

Thanks for the replys so far.

SODIS will work at cooler temps too, if there is enough UV,
say at high altitudes.

first and foremost, thanks for your service

I recently finished cody lundin's new book "when all hell breaks loose" (see recent ETS review)

any way, cody has a whole section on this and does not mention any restrictions such as "high on a mountain, or near the equator"

check it out

I saw that in Lundin's book, and wondered if he had ever really tried it. He could probably do it in AZ, though, as Prescott sits at just slightly less than 35N and tends to get warmish in the summer.

"... they were drinking was the water most of they had been drinking all their lives... Travellers diarrhea was not a threat to them."

Dysentery is Dysentery, whether it is from parasites or bacteria. I was reading that approx. 2 million children die in Africa from lack of clean water. I guess the trick is to survive long enough until you're immune...

Sue