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| #119243 - 01/07/08 09:33 PM  Re: EMT members: first aid kit for car?
[Re: Blast] |  
|   Old Hand
 
 Registered:  03/19/05
 Posts: 1185
 Loc:  Channeled Scablands
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Good stuff. In addition I like to have-
 a CPR mask
 rubber coated work gloves for protection from sharp metal etc.
 wool blanket for warmth, cushioning, or an improvised stretcher
 tape (duct or otherwise) for holding on the dressings
 headlight
 
 
 in a pickup truck I have a sheet of plywood that is both bed liner
 and backboard (cut in pieces so the backboard is easy to get out.
 I used this when a little kids dog was hit and we had to move it
 out of the road.
 
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| #119246 - 01/07/08 09:45 PM  Re: EMT members: first aid kit for car?
[Re: clearwater] |  
|   Pooh-Bah
 
   Registered:  03/08/07
 Posts: 2208
 Loc:  Beer&Cheese country
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There's no way that I want you moving a patient unless that life is in dire danger (like the car hanging on the edge of a cliff. Even then, your safety comes first, even if the car goes over with the patient in it. Don't be there too). Shears, latex gloves (or non-), maybe some work gloves. 4x4x, some of the 5x9 abdominal pads available at drug stores, some gauze rolls, a few ace wraps.  Get medical tape, not duct tape (and never apply circumfrentially).  Ice packs if you want, some hot packs too (mainly for temperature control).  CPR mask if you're comfortable, though that means moving a patient (see above).  Maybe a few triangle bandages.  Please don't splint.   Really, as a first responder, just focus on ABC's.  Don't do more than that - the majority of accidents require some sort of spinal care (don't attempt) and bleeding control (do attempt) Also, don't feel bad if the first folks on scene cut everything right off... we have to document injuries, after all!  http://forums.equipped.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=10200&Number=115963#Post115963 EDIT: Be sure if you set out flares that there isn't any fluid spillage from the accident.  Last thing you want is a flashback of fire running back into a dripping fuel tank.
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| #119261 - 01/07/08 10:26 PM  Re: EMT members: first aid kit for car?
[Re: Blast] |  
|   Old Hand
 
 Registered:  03/19/05
 Posts: 1185
 Loc:  Channeled Scablands
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Liability wise, you have to operate within your training,and you want to cause no further harm.
 
 And you have to use good judgment.
 
 If you are in an urban area and know help will be there soon, it may be better to stay out of the way.
 
 If you are in a  rural area and the EMT's won't be there for 45
 minutes and someone is lying in the road on a blind corner, you
 may want to move them.
 
 You may want to do things for your own family that you may not
 want to risk on a stranger, sad to say.
 
 Having the equipment available can be helpful in those rural settings too, if an off duty first responder etc. is there but
 without the gear.
 
 Be sure and treat for shock.
 
 
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| #119277 - 01/08/08 12:26 AM  Re: EMT members: first aid kit for car?
[Re: MDinana] |  
|   Geezer
 
 Registered:  06/02/06
 Posts: 5359
 Loc:  SOCAL
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I'd be your basic under-trained first responder.  Initially my reaction will be to provide traffic control/blockage of the accident and make sure 9-1-1 is called.  I need to pick up a few of those Powerflare  things in lieu of incendiaries.  They look like they'd be very useful.   Injury-wise, I've got an   AMK Comprehensive Kit  in the truck, but I'll probably add more 4x4's.  I can handle bleeding, other peoples blood doesn't bother me, my own blood bothers me if it's making a mess  -- course I've never been faced with a life threatening injury.   I need CPR training, I'm so long out-of-date. . . then an ARC First Aid course.  
_________________________Better is the Enemy of Good Enough.
 Okay, what’s your point??
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| #119320 - 01/08/08 03:33 AM  Re: EMT members: first aid kit for car?
[Re: Russ] |  
|   INTERCEPTOR
 Carpal Tunnel
 
   Registered:  07/15/02
 Posts: 3760
 Loc:  TX
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Those powerflares look interesting but they kind of go against the very core of my being.    85% of my road time is in urban areas. It seems like warning other traffic, calling 911, then maybe stopping bleeding is all I should attempt. Okay, I can plan for that. Thanks for the responses. And to the EMTs, thanks for everything you do. I promise I'll try not to make your jobs harder. -Blast |  
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| #119323 - 01/08/08 05:09 AM  Re: EMT members: first aid kit for car?
[Re: Blast] |  
|   Newbie
 
 Registered:  01/05/06
 Posts: 37
 Loc:  Montana
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From my experience many, bulky, warm blankets that you don't mind parting with would be the most important thing to carry. 
 Once you have checked ABC's, keep the patient warm and comfortable. It has already been mentioned that just about any thing you do beyond that will be redone by the responding EMS crews.
 
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| #119326 - 01/08/08 07:34 AM  Re: EMT members: first aid kit for car?
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|   Member
 
 Registered:  03/11/06
 Posts: 109
 Loc:  So. California
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I think i had a similar level of training (community first aid with cpr) and i think all i'm really qualified to do is ABC. For car wrecks (and in my case, bike wrecks), the place where limited training could be the most help is in preventing someone (or yourself) from bleeding out which may happen in minutes. I've taken to carrying around a couple of those trauma bandages with integral elastic wrap, before that i had a bunch of 4x4s and surgical pads and ace elastic wrap which is basically the same thing. |  
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| #119389 - 01/08/08 07:43 PM  Re: EMT members: first aid kit for car?
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|   Old Hand
 
   Registered:  03/18/06
 Posts: 1032
 Loc:  The Netherlands
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Also this may sound stupid, but a friend of mine pointed out how helpful it would've been when he split open his thigh (Don't ask...Lol) if he had some Duct Tape. So I got to thinking and looked at my Roll of Gorilla Glue Duct Tape. That sticks damned near well to flesh...so I am gonna throw a roll into my FAK in my car's trunk. Might come in handy for holding together a big wound for a bit. I hope you put some gauze between the wound and the duct-tape..   Anyhow, Duct-tape is a great addition for any FAK.
_________________________''It's time for Plan B...'' ''We have a Plan B?''  ''No, but it's time for one.''  -Stargate SG-1
 
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