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#118024 - 12/29/07 09:07 PM Re: 10 year old arrested for steak knife at schoo [Re: ]
Microage97 Offline
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That is probably true. It used to legal to drink and drive in TX too as long as you weren't drunk.... :-)

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#118030 - 12/29/07 09:36 PM Re: 10 year old arrested for steak knife at school [Re: probablylost]
samhain Offline
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Yeah but at least her steak lunch was safe from any kids who wanted to try and take it from her.




sorry, couldn't let that one go by.


I look back at all this and remember the guy in high school that had a machete in his locker and the time I had to pull out my Buck 110 at school to fend off some kid who pulled his knife to try and take my lunch money.

Ah, the good ol'days.


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#118059 - 12/29/07 11:38 PM Re: 10 year old arrested for steak knife at schoo [Re: ]
OldBaldGuy Offline
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When I was a kid in Cub Scouts, on meeting days we wore our uniforms to school, including the knives, hanging from that little snap on our belts. On the other days the knife was in our pockets. I do not recall anyone every using a knive to do more than clean a fingernail (not something kids do much of), or whittling on a stick durning recess...
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#118672 - 01/03/08 04:50 AM Re: 10 year old arrested for steak knife at schoo [Re: OldBaldGuy]
JRR Offline
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Originally Posted By: OldBaldGuy
You can not have a rule that says knives are OK for cutting up lunch, but not OK for cutting up classmates.


Yes, we can and do. Just like you can buy a gun and shoot it at the range or hunt with it, but you can't shoot your ex-wife no matter how much she deserves it. You can also buy a car, but it's not okay to run over your neighbor with it. If a ten year old wants to stab a classmate, a #2 pencil in the gut would do as much or more damage than a steak knife. We cannot ban every tool that could be used to cause harm.

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#118689 - 01/03/08 01:29 PM Re: 10 year old arrested for steak knife at schoo [Re: JRR]
OldBaldGuy Offline
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You are correct about the other things as weapons part, but we gotta start someplace. In a controlled environment like a school, in todays world you have to have a hard and fast rule, in this case NO KNIVES. There are already rules (laws) about cutting people up, but given the world we live in today, a "knife for cutting food is OK, but don't bring one to cut classmates" rule just won't work...
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#118690 - 01/03/08 02:01 PM Re: 10 year old arrested for steak knife at schoo [Re: OldBaldGuy]
Dan_McI Offline
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Registered: 12/10/07
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Loc: NYC
Originally Posted By: OldBaldGuy
You are correct about the other things as weapons part, but we gotta start someplace. In a controlled environment like a school, in todays world you have to have a hard and fast rule, in this case NO KNIVES. There are already rules (laws) about cutting people up, but given the world we live in today, a "knife for cutting food is OK, but don't bring one to cut classmates" rule just won't work...


"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined or determined to commit crimes."

Thomas Jefferson.

At the same time, I gave 4 SAKs to boys aged 13-10 this Christmas. Each of them was told it does not go to school. Although, I know I brought mine to school.


Edited by Dan_McI (01/03/08 02:02 PM)

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#118711 - 01/03/08 05:21 PM Re: 10 year old arrested for steak knife at schoo [Re: ]
Dan_McI Offline
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Registered: 12/10/07
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Loc: NYC
Thanks.

I agree with you about allowing people to carry knives and about "growing into manhood." I won't tell people and don't mention it in my office, but a knife is with me most of the time. I've brought one with me to work today and pretty much everyday for a quite a while, a multitool. A knife has gotten me out of trouble, cutting lines on ships and other vessels.

I also know schools just won't permit knives, even one so small it could be a key chain.

Their father carries a knife most of the time, so I think outside of school, they will be allowed to get some experience with their knives.



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#118726 - 01/03/08 06:51 PM Re: 10 year old arrested for steak knife at schoo [Re: OldBaldGuy]
benjammin Offline
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You know OBG, as much as I regret to in this case, I am compelled to agree with you. It is a very sad statement that public schools must have such a rule and others like it, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the practicality of the thing, but from a wholly litigious point of view, it simply can be no other way now.

Nonetheless, such a rule would do absolutely nothing to prevent any child or grandchild of mine from continuing to carry a knife or other self defense implement with them to school. They will simply no longer use it in public except for certain conditions when such a rule is irrelevent. It will remain that way until the public school system can guarantee unequivically my children's safety. I am not too worried about that happening anytime soon either. I am worried that someday they may be compelled to submit to a search of their person/possessions, which they will refuse, whether they have a knife or not. Lord help the person who physically forces my kin to submit, for I will show no mercy on that day.
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#118767 - 01/03/08 11:51 PM Re: 10 year old arrested for steak knife at schoo [Re: Dan_McI]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
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Loc: W. WA
" we gotta start someplace. In a controlled environment like a school, in todays world you have to have a hard and fast rule, in this case NO KNIVES."

No knives.
No forks.
No scissors.
No firewood.
No frozen dead cats.
No icicles.
No metal rulers.
No drawing compasses.
No Exacto knives.
No pointy pencils.
No Bic type pens.
No antennas on cell phones.
No boots.
No long fingernails or fake ones.
No barrettes.
No shoelaces.
No scarves.
No sweatshirt hood strings.
No pretty rocks for Show-&-Tell.
No bamboo shish kabob skewers
No nails in wood shop.

So where does it stop? Lawmakers, living in their little fantasy world, would like to think that they can legislate protection from danger everywhere, in every place, under all conditions. People with a few functioning brain cells know this isn't possible.

Maybe there needs to be a national Protest the Public School Week, and pull your kids out. Your children are a souce of income for the school district and administration, and nothing else.

Sue

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#118781 - 01/04/08 02:02 AM Re: 10 year old arrested for steak knife at schoo [Re: OldBaldGuy]
UTAlumnus Offline
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Registered: 03/08/03
Posts: 1019
Loc: East Tennessee near Bristol
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a "knife for cutting food is OK, but don't bring one to cut classmates" rule just won't work...


Why not? It worked for several thousand years. Drop this business about "They're not to blame because of how they grew up.", etc., and start enforcing the laws already on the books.

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