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#115705 - 12/12/07 11:33 PM Re: Tasers for wilderness survival [Re: norad45]
OldBaldGuy Offline
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That could work, plus a great emergency fire starter (in fact, I used to carry cut down flares for that very purpose). But we once had a huge shipment of flares that were almost impossible to light, or keep lit if you ever got it going. I can not imagine trying to strike a flare in time to slow down a charging griz...
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#115710 - 12/12/07 11:51 PM Re: Tasers for wilderness survival [Re: OldBaldGuy]
ponder Offline
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Originally Posted By: OldBaldGuy
That is interesing. A 10" 870 really sounds like a Class II weapon to me, not an AOW. Where did you get your "...one time $5 tax (Permit)..."?

Also, keep in mind that, even with a Fed "permit," individual states (such as CA), can prohibit your possession of lots of weapons (link) "...These weapons may also be further regulated by states or
localities, and while these weapons can be legally owned under
federal law, some states and localities further regulate ownership
or prohibit it (see below)..."


ANSWERS

1. BATFE - File under form 4
2. I live in America, the state of Idaho, which has no firearm laws more stringent than federal law. There is no waiting period to purchase. You can buy as many as you can afford. We can own .50 BMG weapons of any type, "assault weapons of any type", machine guns, silencers, AOW's, Pen guns, short shotguns, short rifles, destructive devices, explosives, switchblades, brass knuckles, pet ferrets, gas powered leaf blowers, two stroke outboard motors and ammunition made out of lead. Idaho is a "SHALL ISSUE" state relative to CWP's. They have to give you a concealed permit if you are not a criminal. It is LEGAL to carry your firearms uncased in your vehicle loaded, cocked and off safety. This is still America.
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#115712 - 12/13/07 12:02 AM Re: Tasers for wilderness survival [Re: OldBaldGuy]
Susan Offline
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Loc: W. WA
From Taser Weapons at http://www.taser.org/faq.html:

"Will this thing stop a grizzly? I have three small children under 5. We backpack the Cascades, 4X4 camp in remote areas. My wife and I both pack high caliber automatic handguns as
defense against a bear or human predators. (We ran accross an mom a few years back and narrowly escaped with our lives.) We would like to get rid of the handguns with the accompanying dangers to our children and carry a non lethal weapon such as a taser. I have used a taser against a human attacker with great success. How effective is this device against a blubbery grizzly? Will it put her out long enough for us to withdraw?
Any help would be appreciated."

"We absolutely cannot guarantee that it will have any affect
on a grizzly. We have no record of anyone ever having
used a TASER® Weapon in the wild on a grizzly. The TASER® Weapon is designed to work on a human, and therefore we strongly advise you not to carry it as your only means of defense against a grizzly or any other type of animal. When used against a 2000 lb buffalo it stunned him for only an instant. He dropped onto
his hind quarters, but was back up in 2 seconds and became
very angry. If a grizzly reacts in the same way, it would make
a bad situation even worse. Others do carry TASER® Weapons when
in remote areas for protection against human attackers, but
keep your firearms for protection against wild animals."

Sue

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#115718 - 12/13/07 12:28 AM Re: Tasers for wilderness survival [Re: Susan]
Paul810 Offline
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Registered: 03/02/03
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Loc: NJ, USA
Originally Posted By: Susan
From Taser Weapons at http://www.taser.org/faq.html:

"(We ran accross an mom a few years back and narrowly escaped with our lives.)"

..........

"I have used a taser against a human attacker with great success."




Either this person has really bad luck or really needs to learn to avoid bad situations better (like being more aware of surroundings). Yikes. shocked

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#115719 - 12/13/07 12:28 AM Re: Tasers for wilderness survival [Re: ponder]
OldBaldGuy Offline
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Mucho more better than CA!!!
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#115725 - 12/13/07 01:16 AM Re: Tasers for wilderness survival [Re: Paul810]
Susan Offline
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You noticed that, too. Mr. and Mrs. Darwin Award? Three children under five? Maybe they plan to toss the least favorite to the bear, and run?

Sue

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#115741 - 12/13/07 03:16 AM Re: Tasers for wilderness survival [Re: ponder]
red Offline
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Registered: 02/24/07
Posts: 175
Ahhh, sweet memories of Ideeho...

Where the women are handsome and the men are good-looking.

Or is that Lake Wobegone?

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#115744 - 12/13/07 04:08 AM Re: Tasers for wilderness survival [Re: Susan]
redflare Offline
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Registered: 12/25/05
Posts: 647
Loc: SF Bay Area, CA
Originally Posted By: Susan
From Taser Weapons at http://www.taser.org/faq.html:

"We absolutely cannot guarantee that it will have any affect
on a grizzly. We have no record of anyone ever having
used a TASER® Weapon in the wild on a grizzly. The TASER® Weapon is designed to work on a human, and therefore we strongly advise you not to carry it as your only means of defense against a grizzly or any other type of animal. When used against a 2000 lb buffalo it stunned him for only an instant. He dropped onto
his hind quarters, but was back up in 2 seconds and became
very angry. If a grizzly reacts in the same way, it would make
a bad situation even worse. Others do carry TASER® Weapons when
in remote areas for protection against human attackers, but
keep your firearms for protection against wild animals."

Sue


OK, that pretty much is the end of discussion.
Thanks Sue smile

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#115767 - 12/13/07 06:10 AM Re: Tasers for wilderness survival [Re: NightHiker]
xavier01 Offline
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Registered: 12/02/02
Posts: 86
Loc: Phx, AZ
We were once shown a video of a large bull getting hit by a taser. It dropped the bull cold and instantly. After the taser cycled, the bull got up so angry that he full-force charged the steel fence that the operator was standing behind. That must have hurt. It shows how angry that bull must have been.

The taser is designed to penetrate thick layers of clothing, so I have to believe that the needles could find their way through thick hair. I don't see a problem with that. If you ever saw the barbs that come out, you would understand.

One problem is the effective range. One would need nerves of steel to wait as long as you would need to and still maintain good sight picture. At that range, there would no chance of a re-load.

The biggest problem, over-riding all other variables, is that the animal is only incapacitated for a very short while. Even if your shot is good and the barbs penetrate, you only have seconds before, as Yamamoto said, you awaken the giant with a terrible resolve. Unless you had solid protection very close by, you will wind up with a bigger problem than before.

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#115771 - 12/13/07 09:11 AM Re: Tasers for wilderness survival [Re: redflare]
Fishmode Offline
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Registered: 04/25/07
Posts: 15
Loc: Portland, Oregon
I don't think a taser would work AT ALL.

Because what are they made for? There can only be one subject and that would be humans; there is a reason for that. A human compared to a bear...There is a huge size difference and tolerable voltages.

The tasers are set to the case where it will bring down a human being, but will that same amount be the same for a bear? Or a cougar? It's simple as that. The bear will more than likely be more mad. So is that slight chance the bear will walk away compared to it charging at you be worth the risk?

Don't be stupid, just get the spray.


Edited by Fishmode (12/13/07 09:14 AM)
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