I agree that in any situation (good or bad) there always has been and will always be the criminal element, be it singular or in groups.

In my previous post, I mentioned the MZB's only due to the fact that in 3 different survivalist novels I have read, MZB's are part of the story. Yet in all the novels by Tom Clancy et al, MZB's have not even been mentioned (that I recall). Some of Clancy's books and or chapters have plots where the US in particular is on it's knees and ripe for such MZB activity.

This is getting totally OT for this forum so I will end this post and abstain from any future discussions on this topic.