It sure is awesome to meets such great folks! I guess I should attempt to stay on topic a little though. Another two "CIVI" type vests which would probably fit most needs are the Hycreek game vest and the Columbia smokin' clays shooting vest. Both are used by friends for survival vests and I am told they are top notch quality and very affordable. They also blend in quite well without people pegging you for a Para military nut case I am told. I agree fully with other members on this topic in that it is best to avoid using military gear around civilians. Funny that I can give half my life to the service of my country and no one usually could care less, but if I walk to my truck with a hunting rifle and my issued LBE I would be reported as a terrorist and stopped by the police before I could make it out of my driveway. These same people who would report me would most likely be the very first people to knock on my door and ask for help should disaster strike. Funny world in which we live.