With the frame, about 8 pounds. I know, sounds heavy, but by deleating the need for a dry bag in the summer, losing a quart of water and some other things, it is going to be saving me weight when I strip off the small pack.

There will be an overall weight gain with the small pack, but expanded capability as well. I'm going to be doubling the amount of water I can carry on just the vest, and with the vest and small pack, I'll have a full gallon, which is one of my goals. Seven quarts gives me two days of water, and I usually only carry one day's worth. No more being limited by water courses, which will open up some bug out routes for me.

Two things I ALWAYS like to carry "too much" of are dry tinder and clean water.