I thought Doug didn't like threads like this on his site. Doesn't anyone else hear the "Survivalist" screaming within this thread? Yes, times are changing, but prepare realistically and practically. Post "End of the World" threads elsewhere. I'd like to see this site, particularly these forums, keep true to their original intent and not get wasted away to become another beaten down Survivalist site. I don't believe Doug wants that either.

I'll get off my soap box. Just encouraging everyone to spend their energy on things that really matter.

Cities are hard places to live if order breaks down.
I wish you luck.
It's almost impossible without your tribe (next door folks,friends co-occupants).
Fixed sites always can be breached by determined aggressors.
Of course you don't have to make it easy, but a community approach is typically more effective as it shares the workload and provides more diversity skills wise.
No matter how tactically prepared a person is, few can stand by and watch other suffer and ignore their plight like a Kafka novel.

The main lesson from Katrina is supplies for two weeks to 30 days if the Government doesn't intervene and years if they do.
BTW we still have friends now living in Baton Rouge recovering from all the "Help" in New Orleans.

"Just encouraging everyone to spend their energy on things that really matter."

ummmmm...... things that matter to other people or to you?

I've been a member of this site for several years now and, as shocking as it might be to some people, YES, we do have some survivalist types here, some fairly permanent and some who are just passing through. And thus far, the ETS site hasn't degenerated into a hardcore hide-in-the-woods-with-lots-of-ammo site. We've got a lot of people here who really seem to have their heads screwed on just fine, and nobody is going to change that.

And I'm going to add another thought here: I've never actually seen a clear line dividing survivalism and urban/wilderness survival. Most of us just pick and choose how far we want to go in either direction. And if we want to talk about zombie attacks and pirates, we will.

So, if you don't like the thread, just move on to another one. Simple.

Sue

Well Said!

Quietly checks and rechecks all nuts, bolts and screws holding head to shoulders.