Nucatak is also very high quality gear and also $$$$.
    i like that better than the MOB line as it seems to be all
    one bag with no sections and zippers to fail..
   but this is all mountain climbing gear that i would never
    use..if it got cold enought for this the canoeing would be
     over for the year..if LLBean or one of the mid-range
    outfitters does not twig on to this idea i may have my
     local sewing shop come up with something..or just buy
     a snowmoble suit that would fill the same function..
    i'm seeing some great stuff by way of this thread that i
    never knew was out there..thanks--