I see bth sides to that. Sure discipline is needed, but then some people take it too far. My MIL thinks kids need disciplined if they don't sit and stare at the TV while she watches Opra and she thinks smacking, screaming, and swearing at kids is ok instead of spanking when needed. She disciplines when something annoys her not when something was done that was wrong. I saw the same thing happening in shcool as well, the teacher going by their own rules/morals would discipline for their own reasons. Once basic right and wrong became a gray area and open to interpretation discipline and when to and when not to became useless.