#108091 - 10/08/07 10:08 PM
Re: The Bare Wilderness Survival Feat
[Re: Halcon]
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Registered: 12/01/05
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Loc: Oakland, California
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I was going to post this; http://dirttime.com/and tell eveyone to check out the "in our pockets" article because these guys may be able to pull it off. Then I realized you are probably Alan himself. If so thanks for the great alcohol stove article a while back in WW. Bill
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#108092 - 10/08/07 10:43 PM
Re: The Bare Wilderness Survival Feat
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 08/03/07
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I checked the weather for most of northen Manitoba for the next few days, the forecast is mostly rain with temps from OC to 7C (32F to 45F).
Anyone want to wager how long these guys last?? I think this will be the main factor in how long these guys last as the weather forecast from 0C to 7C in the rain is perfect hypothermia weather. It will depend on the clothing that they intend on taking with them. If they go dressed in jeans and fleecy tops I would give them just 2-4 days in the cold and rain. Chances are they wouldn't be able to get a fire going and they seem to lack experience in building shelters. Simple open lean-to shelters or A frames probably wouldn't be suitable for the conditions they would expect to encounter. Some thing a little more substaintial would be required such the construction in the first few days of a log cabin or Teepee. A knife is not going to suffice in the constructing of one of these. A proper woodsman axe would make all the difference rather than a knife for medium to long term survival requirements. Also the low temperatures and moist atmosphere will make fire lighting using friction methods a low probability of success. If they got the fire going they would have to ensure that it didn't go out. This effort will rob them of the time they think they will require to go hunting and fishing. The lack of cordage will make successful hunting and fishing again a low probability (they will probably end up attempting to use Bear Grylls method of throwing a big stick at their game). Their inability to boil water efficiently by not taking a metal cup or pan will either make them ill or lead to dehydration although they could always improvise rain water collection method if a poncho was part of their everyday clothing. So if they have the ability to build a substantial shelter in the first few days (depending on the weather breaks) and can get a fire going then they may last 10-14 days before they get to weak from hunger before abandoning their adventure. If they took a good axe, a firesteel, paracord, a fishing kit and a large metal cup whilst clothed in good insulating and waterproof clothing then I don't see why 30 days would be out of the question. But they would still be suffering in their hole in the dark with an owl.
Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (10/08/07 10:46 PM)
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#108138 - 10/09/07 01:59 PM
Re: The Bare Wilderness Survival Feat
[Re: billym]
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Journeyman
Registered: 09/02/04
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I was going to post this; http://dirttime.com/and tell eveyone to check out the "in our pockets" article because these guys may be able to pull it off. Then I realized you are probably Alan himself. If so thanks for the great alcohol stove article a while back in WW. Bill Bill, yes that be me. glad you liked the stove article. stay tuned for more grat stuff. Alan Halcon
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#108168 - 10/09/07 06:52 PM
Re: The Bare Wilderness Survival Feat
[Re: Roarmeister]
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Registered: 09/19/03
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Loc: Montréal, Québec, Canada
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learning which plants are good to eat and medicate is a lifelong study. From what I've learned from Mors Korchanski, a person could live off the land in the boreal forest and not eat any meat whatsoever I am considering acquiring the 8 DVD Plant Walk Series with Mors Kochanski. Do you think it's a good start for learning this stuff? Ovbiously it's not sufficient, one needs real world practice. Did you take a bushcraft class at Karamat? The plants identified: Silverweed Marsh Hedge Nettle Plantain Brown Eyed Susan Yellow Ladies Slipper Meadow Buttercup Alpine Bistort Pink Pussytoes Cream-Colored Peavine Purple Vetch or Common Vetch Canada Thistle Arrowleaf and Palmated Coltsfoot Sundew Round Leaf Orchid Caraway Ox-Eye Daisy Wire Rush Macoun's Buttercup Heart-Leaved Alexanders Blue- Eyed Grass Common Red Paint Brush Alpine Milk-Vetch Bear Root Western Wood Lily Wild Lily of the Valley Smooth Fleabane Purple Avens Drummond's Thistle Mealy Primrose Balsam Groundsel Northern Green Bog Orchid Elephant's- Head Pink Pyrola Bunchberry and Fireweed Death Camus Wood Betony Alpine Rock Jasmine Cusick's Paint-brush Yellow Columbine Lance Leaved Stonecrop Alpine Goldenrod Monkshood (Mountain) Moss Campion Wooly Lousewort Marsh Valarian Tall Larkspur Shooting Star Field Chickweed Alpine Pussytoes Sheep Sorrel Sweet Grass Showy Locoweed Yellow Rattle Short Beaked Agoseris Elk Thistle Yellow Mountain Avens Common Bladder Campion Northern Gentian Richardson's Geranium Tall Jacob's Ladder Smooth Blue Beardtongue Pasture Sagewort Toad Flax Tansy Timothy Quack Grass White/Red/Alsike Clover Stiff Club Moss/Ground Pine and Yarrow Water Smartweed Nodding Beggarticks Rough Hair Grass Water Arum Small Fruited Bulrush Marsh Marigold Marsh Cinquefoil Canada Anemone Calla Lily Buckbean Marsh Skullcap Tule Reed (Great Bulrush) Giant Burreed Floating Bog Common Cattail Bulbiferous Hemlock Water Parsnip Water Hemlock Rat Root (Sweet Flag) Cow Parsnip Western Dock Blue Columbine Veiny Meadow Rue Western Canada Violet Strawberry Dewberry,Stinging Nettle MacKenzie's Hedysarum Wild Sarsaparilla Blue Bells Nodding Onion Common Greater Burdock Fringed Aster Pasture Sage Rabbitbrush Goat's Beard Baby's-Breath Old Man Sage Prickly Pear Curly Cup Gumweed Tufted White Prairie Aster Giant Wild Rye Grass Three Tip Sagebrush Common Mullein Crested Wheat Grass Common Wormwood Milkweed Spreading Dogbane Gromwell or Yellow Puccoon Wolf Lichen Pearly Everlasting Hooded Ladies Tresses Pink Pyrola Spotted Knapweed Bull Thistle Greater Northern Aster Skunk Cabbage Self Heal False Box False Hellebore False Solomon's Seal Sweet Scented Bedstraw Eyebright Wild Catnip and Fairy Bells Buckbrush Snowberry Bracted Honeysuckle Twining Honeysuckle High Bush Cranberry Red Raspberry Buckbrush Red Osier Dogwood Bebb's Willow Alder Labrador Tea Bog Rosemary Northern Gooseberry Northern Black Currant Pin Cherry Choke Cherry Saskatoon Bog Birch Yellow Witches Broom White Spruce Black Spruce Spruce Resin Balsam Fir Balsam Fir Cones Tamarack Limber Pine Western Hemlock Western Red Cedar Douglas Maple Hazelnut Western Mountain Ash Engelmann Spruce Sub Alpine Fir Dwarf Birch Shrubby Cinquefoil Yellow Mountain Heather (Heath) Hoary Willow Buffalo Berry Pink Spirea White Admiral (butterfly) Thimble Berry Red Elderberry Spiny Wood Fern Goat's Beard Bracken Fern Red Osier Dogwood White Spruce Pear-Shaped Puffball Ponderosa Pine Black Hawthorn Oregon Grape Snowberry Prickly Rose White Virgin's Bower Great Burdock and an identification talk on cones of the Limber Pine Lodgepole Pine Jack Pine Tamarack Ponderosa Pine Fir Balsam Fir White Spruce Black Spruce and Engelmann Aspen Choke Cherry Dogbane Common Juniper Devil's Club Baneberry Paper Birch Spider White Poplar/Black Poplar Aspen Conk Aspen Stocking Moss Aspen Burl Fire Killed Lodgepole Pine Ants in Lodgepole Pine Woodland Agaric Belted Conk Fairy Stool Aspen Rough Stem Field Mushroom Fluted White Elfin Saddle Brown Cup Grasshopper Smoky Polypore Aspen Rough Stem Sketch Pad Fungus Orange Jelly Delicious Lactarius Low Bush Cranberry Crowberry Prickly Wild Rose Mountain Cranberry/Small Bog Cranberry Hemp Nettle Red Elderberry/Stinging Elderberry Wolf Willow If you have been counting, that's 240 species... Frankie
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#108176 - 10/09/07 08:06 PM
Re: The Bare Wilderness Survival Feat
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Registered: 08/22/01
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Once again, we seem to have a bunch of computer-geek wannabes sitting at their terminals in their air-conditioned offices criticizing two guys who are actually getting off their butts and trying to prove themselves. :-p
I read their bios, and while they aren't experts in survival (or claim not to be), they aren't raw tenderfoots from the big city, either. Both of them seem to have spent a lot of time out of doors and so I imagine they are aware of the type of conditions they will encounter. (Okay, okay - I too have heard too many stories of "experienced outdoorsmen" who went into the woods wearing blue jeans, denim jackets, and sneakers. If that turns out to be the case, I'll rethink their experience quotient.)
What they're doing is somewhat dangerous, but so is climbing Mount Aconcagua, even under optimum conditions, so that in itself is not proof of stupidity and/or insanity.
On the plus side, they have a cameraman who is, presumably, going to be fairly well-equipped, so if hypothermia sets in, there will be food and shelter available. The cameraman may or may not bring a radio and/or cell-phone. I hope he does, and that that's part of their back-up plan.
As for those who keep speculating on "what is their hidden motive?", maybe there really isn't one. They're Canadians, after all. We occasionally still do something foolish just for the sake of seeing if we can do it, without stopping to wonder whether we can sell the screen rights afterward.
Personally, I'm kind of jealous. I hope they do manage to stick it out for the full 30 days, even if they don't end up with a 10-room log cabin and a personal manservant named Friday at the end of it. ;-)
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"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled." -Plutarch
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#108185 - 10/09/07 08:52 PM
Re: The Bare Wilderness Survival Feat
[Re: aardwolfe]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 08/03/07
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Once again, we seem to have a bunch of computer-geek wannabes sitting at their terminals in their air-conditioned offices criticizing two guys who are actually getting off their butts and trying to prove themselves. But is being a computer geek and an outdoor adventurer/bushcrafter a mutually exclusive proposition? Computer geek and sex god, now thats an entirely different proposition.
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#108199 - 10/10/07 01:36 AM
Re: The Bare Wilderness Survival Feat
[Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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Crazy Canuck
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Registered: 02/03/07
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Loc: Alberta, Canada
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Well, I guess I take the view that if you want to do it, you do your homework and you go out and do it. I have a lot of respect for that approach, provided you take reasonable precautions and don't put others in harm's way.
On the other hand, if you're doing a shoestring budget, Indie-type promotion, and want to create some buzz, you set up a website with a sexy tag line, take a pro cameraman along with you, sell memberships for ongoing access to your footage, track hits, and see if it takes you somewhere.
Standard practise these days is: if you want to get noticed in documentary or series TV production, don't show up with a good pitch, show up with compelling footage. Then the chequebooks come out, and you get the funding to finish what you have started. Pretty sure that's the end game; or at least, that's the plan to pay the bills for a month off work.
That doesn't mean what we see will be fake; win or lose, it will probably be genuine. And I hope these guys succeed. They have certainly set themselves a tall challenge in an incredibly short time frame (i.e., how to boil water with nothing is the big one for me). If they solve that, they're in the running.
With all honesty, though, the information on their website does not inspire confidence. Perhaps that's what is driving the skeptical comments here.
Anyway, time will tell.
(Broadcasting from somewhere near Edmonton ...)
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#108301 - 10/10/07 10:48 PM
Re: The Bare Wilderness Survival Feat
[Re: Roarmeister]
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Registered: 09/19/03
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Loc: Montréal, Québec, Canada
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It sounds really interesting. I'll think about it. I was thinking maybe the winter course as at least there's no nasty mosquitos and black flies to deal with and it's in the end of February so cold waves are rarer. I could never imagine myself sleeping under a tree at -40º, I don't know if I would be willing to try that. In his video he says if your cold just add sleeping bags...
I have also the video on knots but I think it's not so obvious to follow. I would have prefered that the camera was behind his shoulders or else maybe I could rotate 180º the dvd image if it's possible but I may also get the booklets. Still the videos are useful to get some bits of knowledge that is hard to put in words.
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