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#104883 - 09/06/07 10:24 PM URBAN BOB
CBTENGR Offline
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I live in St. Louis, MO. It was ranked the #1 city for violent crime. With this said I have a BOB for this reason. I do not spend much time in the wilderness anymore, although I am an Eagle Scout, and military and LEO. Any recomendations would be most helpful. This is a list of my kit...

EDC:

DR PSP
AMK Survival Blanket
Gerber Breast Milk Bag 6 oz.
Micropur Tabs (4)
Non-Lubricated Condoms (2)
REI Storm Matches (8)
Small Multi Tool from Home Depot
CRKT M16 folding Knife
Photon Micro Light

BOB:

GI Issue Casualty Blanket w/ grommets in the corners
100 ft 550 cord
AMK 2-Person Survival Blanket(2)
Roll of Duct Tape
GI Issue Poli Pro Tops and Bottoms
Wool Socks
Underwear
T-Shirt
Wool Cap
Wool Glove Inserts
Leather Gloves
MRE's Broken Down (3)
Lipton Soup Mix (4)
Beef Bullion (8)
Chicken Bullion (8)
GI Collapsible Canteen w/ cup
Water Bottles 1L (4)
Micropur Tabs (20)
Roll Heavy Duty Aluminum Foil
Champ Swiss Army Knife
Magnesium Fire Starter
Mini Bic Lighter
Coghlan Fire Tinder (12)
Roll Quarters
$20.00 Bills (2)
Flash Drive w/ Important Documents
Pre-paid Credit Card
Phone Cards 200 mins.(2)
Weather Radio
Small FAK









Edited by CBTENGR (09/06/07 10:25 PM)
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#104887 - 09/07/07 12:22 AM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: CBTENGR]
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I'm slightly confused here. The BOB looks fine, as does your EDC (though everyone after me will add stuff). But, you mention that you want a BOB due to St. Louis's crime rates. Yet, there's nothing in your EDC or BOB that addresses this aspect. No firearm (I lived in MO for 2 years, and know how easy it is to buy them there!), self-defense items (besides the CRKT), is your FAK equipped for a violent encounter, etc.

How do you intend to use the BOB? To leave the city when it gets too violent? That's how I'm interpreting your post, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Now my other suggestions: Given that MO can get a bit chilly, I'd throw in something heavier than Heatsheets and casualty blankets. Unless you plan on running south to the bootheel if you take off, where it's probably warmer than where I lived. Lots of bugs, so some DEET. A real flashlight with your BOB, extra batteries.

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#104891 - 09/07/07 01:00 AM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: MDinana]
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I'm sorry if I didn't mention my firearm capabilities. I have a Colt .45 Officer's model w/ Speer Gold Dot rounds and an extra mag in a fanny pack w/ the knife and a Surefire in the night stand. I also have a 12 gauge shotgun and a twenty shell bandolier next to the BOB and an extra 10 round mag for the Colt in the BOB. Also I have a mini mag w/ extra batteries in the BOB. As far as more clothing and/or other forms of warmth, the only thing I could add would be some hand/body warmers. I have the poli pro top and bottoms which could be added under clothing I would already be wearing during the fall/winter seasons. I didn't think of the bugs so thanks for the advice.
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#104894 - 09/07/07 01:13 AM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: MDinana]
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It may be a terminology thing but anytime I hear someone ask about a bug-out-bag my first Q is "Where are you bugging to?" I don't have a BOB any longer. I have a 96 hour kit and various pieces of camping gear in my truck. My Camelback is part of that gear and would be the closest thing I have to a BOB. If things got out of hand here I'd just get in the truck and drive. None of this packing stuff on my back -- that's a non-starter.
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#104911 - 09/07/07 04:29 AM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: Russ]
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I lived in St. Louis for a while, 3/4 mile west of
the River, near the library. Not a great neighborhood:
drug dealers, pan handlers, and I am sure druggies and thieves.

More than once, I had a bus driver ask where I lived,
and he drove off his route, to where I lived,
as he explained that it was very dangerous at night.

It was my good luck, nothing ever happened. And actually I
think there are worse neighborhoods in St Louis, and
certainly in other cities.

There are a few first-hand stories I could tell, but
suffice it to say, that some of the best people I ever
met, were in St. Louis. Those good people mostly lived
in my building; they were old, poor, black, and
some were handicapped.

OTOH,Young people are always a concern. And mob can
include mature people who are dangerous.

If you do not have a concealed carry permit, get one;
you may need it if things turn bad. Some retired LEO's
get concealed carry automatically.

For bad times in a city, consider body armor, which you
already own? In addition, some thin, form fitted,
fore arm guards, analogous to soccer shin guards.
If you make them yourself, so much the better,
Kevlar mat + epoxy (or polyester) resin. They will
stop any knife and some bullets.

A clear lexan clip board of sufficient thickness to protect
from 357 40cal or 9mm. You could move it, in front of your face,
and still see where the perp was aiming. And you could aim and
fire your pistol.

I would prefer defense/offense capability that is concealed;
too many perps are agile, fast, and smart enough to get around
the obvious.

These are theoretical ideas from a non-LEO, who has not
been in a fight in many years.














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#104912 - 09/07/07 04:36 AM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: CBTENGR]
ironraven Offline
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+1 on the question of "where are you bugging to?" It sounds like a car kit, and you are using to get home?

For your EDC, swap out the condoms for a second milk bag- I've only ever found two uses for them, the intended one and to cover a rifle muzzle in lousy weather. As water carriers, I've never found them to not suck.

How are you carrying your EDC? And what are you using for BOB's body?

Swap the bullion cubes for ramen seasoning packets. Same thing, better packed. Trust me, the first time you realize that everything in your pack smells like bullion you'll understand this.

Small bills. Smaller than 20s. Folding money is small and light, you're better off with 5s and 1s.

I didn't see a poncho. Saw the socks, thumbs up. Everyone forgets their feet until they really need them.

Without knowing more about what your intensions are for this pack, it is really hard to say.

EDIT:
Oh- since you are in the St Louis area, check out Zombie Squad, they are based in your area. Don't let the squirrelly bits at the forum scare you off, the physical organization seems pretty solid.
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#104920 - 09/07/07 11:48 AM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: ironraven]
benjammin Offline
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I might recommend a more robust fixed blade in the BOB, like a Mora or maybe even a KA-BAR or Cold Steel SRK. I would look at swapping out the mini mag for a hand crank LED flashlight, or maybe carry both.

I have a standing recommendation for all that they should EDC dacron or similar kite/fishing string rated at 50+lbs. I EDC 25 yards of 120 lb test spooled up on a tongue depressor along with 8 yards of duct tape and 10 yards of electrical tape. It is small enough diameter it could be used as sewing thread, yet it is strong enough to lash together a shelter. It is darned good garrotte/snare material to boot.
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#104928 - 09/07/07 12:54 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: ironraven]
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No it is not a car kit have a seperate one. This is a BOB that would allow me to get out of Dodge and head west about 20 miles to stay with family for a while. Last summer a storm knocked out a good portion of the electricity in the city for over five days. I would not consider staying in my home should something similiar happen again. I have cheap ponchos in the car kit and two in the BOB. Sorry I keep finding more things that I've crammed in there. The body of the BOB is a REI backpack. The EDC is repackaged in an Alosak bag and carried in either, a fanny pack, coat pocket, briefcase, or cargo pocket depending on the situation. I will definitely check out the ramen packets. Thanks.
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#104929 - 09/07/07 01:01 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: benjammin]
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I have been looking into adding a mora to the BOB. I would also like to add a decent head lamp. As far as cordage goes, I use 550 cord for everything. I have wrapped the body of the mag light with it as well as replacing the bootlaces in the boots that I keep under the bed.
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#104947 - 09/07/07 04:03 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: CBTENGR]
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So your plan is to cover 20 miles -- why not include a cheap bike?
doubles your weight carrying at 4 times the speed of walking.

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#104949 - 09/07/07 04:11 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: teacher]
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20 miles is definitely a nice bike ride 2-3 hours maybe less depending on how hard you want to push it. While you can carry more, with a bike you'll be moving fast enough that you don't need to carry more and it makes it easier to change your route to one that might be longer but bypasses areas that should be avoided.
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#104954 - 09/07/07 05:26 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: teacher]
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The bicycle sounds good.

I would choose a medium-to-heavy frame (and wheeled) bike,
because it can easily take the punishment, curbs, holes, etc.
This allows many more emergency avoidance options.

Nobbie tires are Not good; they increase the work
considerably.

CTENGR,
Undoubtedly you have noticed some private security cops
(carrying real guns), riding this kind of bike and they
can really cover ground quickly.


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#104966 - 09/07/07 06:53 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: Hike4Fun]
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Interesting. When I bought my bike steel was still the primary material, but the Cro-Moly steel was getting thin walled and a bit lighter. I ended up with a mountain bike design but with high-end dérailleur, brakes and wheels, and 2" slick tires rather than knobby tires. It's a great bike for urban bike paths, cobblestone streets, curbs and pot-holes. It's not as good on dirt, a knobby tire would be better there, but it's much better on any type of pavement.
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#104993 - 09/08/07 01:42 AM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: CBTENGR]
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[quote=CBTENGR]I have cheap ponchos in the car kit and two in the BOB. Sorry I keep finding more things that I've crammed in there.quote]
I don't think there's any need to apologize! It's nice to forget about things you've put in a kit and when you go hunting for somethig in there, to find it again, after it's been out of sight and out of mind for so long. It's kind of like a little Christmas all in itself...

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#105000 - 09/08/07 02:33 AM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: DrmstrSpoodle]
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Well that's a very optomistic way of looking at it. I was thinking more along the lines of what would happen if I forget something's in there when I need it. Nothings worse then needing something and forgetting that you have it.
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#105001 - 09/08/07 02:36 AM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: DrmstrSpoodle]
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Originally Posted By: CBTENGR
Sorry I keep finding more things that I've crammed in there.

I agree with DrmstrSpoodle. This does bring to mind, though, a “contents list” as a suggestion for something to add.
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#105050 - 09/09/07 02:42 AM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: JCWohlschlag]
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A "contents list" is even more important if you think you'll be bugging out with someone else (who might not know about everything in the BOB). I find it's also handy to note the general location of an item (side pocket, front pocket, main compartment, etc.) on that list.
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#105051 - 09/09/07 02:48 AM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: BachFan]
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I will definitely be adding as contents list. That's something I didn't even think of. Thanks.
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#105166 - 09/10/07 02:13 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: CBTENGR]
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Loc: Southern California
I would switch out the 2 $20 bills for 1's , 5's and 10's. That way you don't have to worry about change for anyone. Therefore letting you get in and out of places quicker. To be honest, I would have more then $40 considering if SHTF then prices for everything are going to skyrocket.
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#105174 - 09/10/07 03:48 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: CBTENGR]
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The 550 cord is definitely a keeper, and the dacron line would be a nice compliment to it; strong enough in its own right to be functionally desirable, not so bulky so you can keep 50 yards in a pocket for edc. I have 550 in my BOB, and the dacron in my edc (and more now in my BOB as well, all 120 lb test, about the diameter of dental floss).
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#105244 - 09/11/07 03:04 AM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: benjammin]
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OK so you've got me interested in trying out this dacron line. Where's a good place to purchase some? Thanks.
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#105297 - 09/11/07 05:21 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: CBTENGR]
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Dacron line is used both as high strength fishing line and as kite string. Check out sporting goods/fishing supply stores, kite shops, and the internet. Here's an interesting site:

http://www.kitebuilder.com/inventory/solidcore.htm

Dacron is not the only synthetic that fits the profile, but it has been around a while longer than most of the rest.
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#105361 - 09/12/07 02:13 AM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: benjammin]
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Great Thanks
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#110336 - 10/28/07 01:38 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: CBTENGR]
Andy Offline
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Registered: 09/13/07
Posts: 378
Loc: SE PA
This kit rides in my car’s trunk all the time. I also keep a fleece blanket, 6x8’ tarp, and rain pants and jacket there as well. In my car I have my ham radio, digital scanner, GPS’s and assorted other stuff such as another FAK, 2 D cell Maglite, shovel, Gerber multi-tool, Life Hammer and fire extinguisher. What can I say, I’m a gear freak.

Photo here and here
BOB contents:

Attached to outside of pack:
Pentagon RA LED Flashlight in pouch
Civilian Lab’s Gear keeper retractable lanyard
Mora 4” fixed blade knife
Alinco DJ-X3 Scanner
Cobra GMRS/FRS radios X 2
Diamond sharpening rod
Buck 3” folder (in pouch)
6’ shanks paracord w/ figure 9 rope tightners X2
Strobe light

First aid kit (in pouch)
Trauma bandage
Celox blood clotter
EMT sheers
Triangle bandage
6 ounces water (in pouch)
Bottle Skin Shield
10’ 3M Coban (stretchy cling wrap)
Pair Nitrile gloves & 2 surgical masks (in ziplock baggie)
Small FAK items in Aloksak (pills, tape, bandaids, etc)

Small Pocket
Write in Rain paper and pencil
20’ yellow caution tape
Suunto compass in case
Signal mirror in case
Petzel E-lite
CRKT Guppie multi-tool
Mini folding saw
Folding surgical blade
Versatool & bit driver set (in pouch)
Spare batteries for radios and strobe
Camper’s folding knife, fork, spoon

Lower rear pocket
N95 masks X2, Nitrile gloves
Bandanas X 2
Micropur tabs in foil X 6
Hygiene pack (tooth brush & paste, wipes, shampoo, soap, razor, etc.)
Travel pack of TP

Middle Pocket
9 hour candles X 3
Box water proof matches
Film canister with Vaseline soaked cotton balls (all 3 items in ziplock)
Space Blanket
AMK Heat Sheet
25’ paracord
Zipties
20’ duct tape
10x20” camp towel
Instant cold compress
Assorted “little hotties” warmer packs
Plastic box with bandaids, bottle of iodine tincture and mini lighter
Write in Rain field notebook/pen
Fold up solar panel with 12V outlet

Large Pocket
3600 calorie MainStay ration bar
6 ounce water packets X 12
Esbit stove, tabs, storm proof matches
15” poly tubing
Blackhawk fill and drink tube
Blackhawk 100 ounce disposable reservoirs X 2
Matchsafe with storm proof matches and striker bar
Plastic box with tinder and firesteel
Stainless steel cup with folding handles
Small parafoil kite, 200’ kite string, bike gloves*
SAM splint

Whole package weighs about 25 pounds. The pack itself is quite nice, with chest and waist straps, compression straps, MOLLE attachment points, etc. Was $30 at ebags.com.
Most items are packaged together by function. Everything is in waterproof packaging.

I’ve switched from regular ziplock bags to Reynold’s vacuum ziplocks. Available in quart and gallon sizes you use a handlheld, battery powered vacuum device to evacuate the air from the bag once you’ve zipped it closed. Works pretty darn well and since the bags are reusable you can open them up, remove items, seal them up and re-do the vacuum. Wouldn’t take the vacuum device with me as part of the BOB, but it would be easy to store in your camper or RV. Here's a link to their product page.

* The kite is an alternate signal/location device, could also be used for fishing or just a fun way to kill time while stranded. Bike gloves protect my hands from the string.
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#110392 - 10/28/07 11:39 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: teacher]
hiker1 Offline
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Loc: Missouri
I was wondering how large is the REI backpack that makes up your BOB?
My BOB is an Arc'teryx Bora 35, but my EDC is usually in an Arc'teryx daypack or fanny pack, depending on what I'm including in my EDC for that particular day. The BOB is usually in the car and my EDC is next to my desk at work.

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#110518 - 10/29/07 02:42 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: hiker1]
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Mine is of large daypack/ bookpack size. (I'll post a pic if you want.) Its not a hydration pack, so it'll have to get upgraded at some point.

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#110565 - 10/29/07 05:20 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: teacher]
Hacksaw
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All this talk of weapons and concealed carry permits again. In a way it makes me feel vulnerable as it's not legal to carry firearms here in Canada...too bad there is no legal alternative.

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#110586 - 10/29/07 10:21 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: ]
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You aren't allowed to carry anything? Not OC or Mace? Surely, just because you can't have a gun doesn't mean you can't carry something to protect yourself.
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#110599 - 10/29/07 11:50 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: AROTC]
Hacksaw
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Here's what some of our laws say about what is allowed and what isn't. Quoted from a book called Canadian Law and Self Defense:

Quote:
PROHIBITED DEVICES
All of the following are prohibited devices in Canada:

and, while it is true that all these devices are prohibited, this list falls short of ALL the devices that have been prohibited by Order in Council.

Some of the missed things are knives.

Prohibited Weapons List:
• any device designed to be used for the purpose of injuring, immobilising or otherwise incapacitating any person by the discharge therefrom of

(a) tear gas, mace or other gas, or
(b) any liquid, spray, powder or other substance that is capable of injuring, immobilising or otherwise incapacitating any person;

• any instrument or device commonly known as “nunchaku,” being hard non-flexible sticks, clubs, pipes or rods connected by a rope, cord, wire, or chain;

• any instrument or device commonly known as “shuriken,” being a hard non-flexible plate having three or more radiating points with one or more sharp edges in the shape of a polygon, trefoil, cross, star, diamond or other geometric shape;

• any instrument or device commonly known as “manrikigusari or kusari,” and any similar instrument or device, being hexagonal or other geometrically shaped hard weights or handgrips linked by a length or lengths of rope, cord, wire or chain :

• any finger ring that has one or more blades or sharp objects that are capable of being projected from the surface of the ring;
• the device known as Taser public defender being a gun or a device similar to a gun capable of injuring, immobilising or otherwise incapacitating a person by the discharge therefrom of darts or any other object carrying an electrical current or substance, or any other similar device;

• any device that is designed to be capable of injuring, immobilising or otherwise incapacitating a person or an animal by discharging an electrical charge produced by means of the amplification or accumulation of the electrical current generated by a battery, where the device is designed or altered so that the electrical charge may be discharged when the device is of a length of less that 480 mm, or any other similar device;

• any device commonly known as a Crossbow, with a stock of 400 mm or less, or any other similar device;

• the weapon known as the “Constant Companion,” being a belt containing a blade capable of being withdrawn from the belt, with the buckle of the belt forming a handle for the blade;

• any knife commonly known as a Push Dagger that is designed in such a fashion that the handle is placed perpendicular to the main cutting edge of the blade;

• any device having a length of less than 30 cm and resembling an innocuous object but designed to conceal a knife or blade, including the device commonly known as the knife comb, being a comb with the handle of the comb forming a handle for the knife;

• and any other device similar to the device described as the constant companion, the push dagger, but not including the aboriginal “ulu” knife, and the knife comb.

• the device commonly known as a “Kiyoga Baton” or “Steel Cobra” and any similar device consisting of a manually-triggered telescoping spring-loaded steel whip terminated in a heavy calibre striking tip;

• the device commonly known as a “spiked wristband,” being a wristband to which a spike or blade is affixed or any similar device;

• the weapon commonly known as the “Yaqua Blowgun” being a tube or pipe designed for the purpose of shooting arrows or darts by the breath, and any similar device;

• the device commonly known as a “Morning Star” and any similar device consisting of a ball of metal or other heavy material, studded with spikes and connected to a handle by a length of chain, rope or other flexible material;
• the device known as the “SSS-1 Stinger” and any similar device that consists of a single shot weapon of any calibre and is designed or of a size to fit in the palm of the hand or in a cigarette package and

• the device known as “Brass Knuckles” and any similar device consisting of a band of metal with finger holes designed to fit over the root knuckles of the hand.

As for what is legal to carry...on the whole, Canadians are allowed to arm themselves with a weapon for self defence (except a firearm), if the weapon is suitable to the danger anticipated and is not carried concealed and you do not beg from nor accost or impede anyone while carrying it or go to a public meeting.


So carrying a big obvious belt knife is pretty much the only thing you're safe with...but if you use it and a judge decides that you used more force than was needed to neutralize the situation (another part of the law that is WAY different than in the US), you could be charged with assault, aggravated assault, or murder even though you were only defending yourself...it's happened many times.

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#110877 - 10/31/07 06:37 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: ]
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Wow, I don't know what I'd do in your situation. Possibly carry a roll of quarters in my jacket pocket or something similar. All in all, it sounds like you guys are pretty much boned in the self-defense department.
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#110888 - 10/31/07 08:07 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: AROTC]
Hacksaw
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A roll of quarters is something I thought of just this morning. I'm not sure why I didn't think of it sooner. When I was a teenager and there was a bunch of bad kids in the small town I grew up in, a roll of quarters was always in my pocket.

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#110935 - 11/01/07 01:57 AM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: ]
ironraven Offline
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Registered: 09/08/05
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A tightly rolled magazine does wonders if you've had any stick fighting training. So does an umbrella. But thanks for that list- I now know exactly how much trouble I've been in in the past going to Canada and leaving the firearms at home. *blinks*

Everything is a weapon in the hands of someone properly trained or sufficiently desperate. Even an empty foam coffee cup, but you usually have to hold them down while you feed it to them and it takes a while for it to bind up in their intestines. *evil grin*
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#111003 - 11/01/07 02:07 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: ironraven]
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Maybe we need to start a seperate "improvised weapons" thread. All kinds of things make great weapons. A full, unopened can of Coke is always good. So's a good solid metal pen. Even for those of us who can carry a gun, OC or a knife there are times when we can't and these are always a good fall back.
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#111659 - 11/06/07 03:13 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: ]
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Check this out...I've never heard of a place where a magic marker is illegal:

https://edcdepot.com/merchantmanager/pro...f7636657b9718bc
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#111673 - 11/06/07 04:50 PM Re: URBAN BOB [Re: CBTENGR]
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Registered: 10/17/07
Posts: 48
Loc: New England
I've never seen this presented here, but since this has gotten into improvised weapons I thought I'd throw it out. One thing that is always allowed, even inside a courhouse or an airport, and something everyone carries everyday anyway, is a ring of keys. Keys, used properly can be an effective improvised weapon. To make them effective as such, simply equip your keychain with one of those "around-the-neck" lanyards. At about 18" or so, these offer some standoff from an attacker, and can deliver a painful blow.

Not only can blows be delivered, but should the attacker manage to grab the keys, he can be pulled in close for follow-on blows or off-balancing techniques. If I didn't have my EDC handgun, I would take this over a knive for 99% of confrontations.

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