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#104026 - 08/30/07 03:09 AM Re: High Calorie Emergency Food [Re: jshannon]
Themalemutekid Offline
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Registered: 11/17/06
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Loc: New Jersey
I had deep fried mac and cheese @ Friday's...it was pretty tasty. The trick is to freeze the mac & chesse before you fry it.
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#104031 - 08/30/07 03:25 AM Re: High Calorie Emergency Food [Re: OldBaldGuy]
xbanker Offline
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Registered: 04/21/05
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Originally Posted By: OldBaldGuy
So, what kind of batter are they dipped in???

I think somebody's fighting a Deep-Fried-Snickers craving smile

Here's a recipe on the RecipeZaar website; usually pretty good recipes.

Dan
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#104032 - 08/30/07 03:29 AM Re: High Calorie Emergency Food [Re: Themalemutekid]
Rusty Offline
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Registered: 02/15/03
Posts: 204
Loc: College Station, Texas
My dad use to make his own pemmican "cupcakes" when I was young. He added some dried berries to the mix (Chinese I think...) I would take them to school for lunch. One little cupcake shaped pemmican bar would be all a needed for lunch. They were SOOOOO filling and delicious!! As I recall, they were very good for you. A lot of fat ...

However they were VERY expensive (compared to a normal sack lunch) and even more time consuming to make. He spent alot of time perfecting the recipe and getting them to taste right. It only lasted about a year. I would eat those things 24/7 if i could.


Edited by Rusty (08/30/07 03:29 AM)
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#104048 - 08/30/07 12:29 PM Re: High Calorie Emergency Food [Re: Rusty]
benjammin Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 4020
Loc: Anchorage AK
Traditional basic pemmican can be a bit rough, and is limited as to nutritional value. My recommendation, as Rusty's dad later found, is to experiment with adulterating the basic recipe with various ingredients. I've gone so far as to incorporate chewable multivitamins that have been powdered into the mix with excellent results (I prefer the cherry flavored ones, but grape and orange flavors work well too). You can also add a little cornmeal, some oats, or even farina or rice flour so long as you don't overdo it. Sugar can also be added, making it more of a dessert taste.

Pemmican doesn't have to be eaten right out of the package,either. I've made up some recipes that, when mixed with hot water, form a hearty soup.

You can add things like nuts, seeds and dried berries, more traditional additions, and pulverized dried meats. In fact, I've added other such ingredients like dehydrated zuchhini and carrots and chives and such and ended up with said soup base.

The point is, pemmican is flexible. In it's most basic form, it is perhaps not as pleasant a dining experience as a good candy bar, but with a little thought and effort, you can turn it into a truly excellent survival food.

Also, from an energy standpoint, carbohydrates convert into glycogen, which if not consumed by the body are then converted into fats which are stored in our fatty tissues. Fats that we consume are broken down into fatty acids, which do not get reconverted back into glycogen, but are consumed by muscle tissue directly. The difference is that fats are consumed by muscles directly during aerobic activity, and require a good supply of oxygen. Glycogen is used by muscle tissue for intense but short durations of maximum exertion, such as sprint running or lifting maximum loads, when the oxygen supply to the muscles is insufficient for aerobic process. For sustained endurance work like hiking or shelter building or just staying warm, aerobic consumption of fatty acids is the dominant metabolic process. When running from a grizzly bear or hauling a body up a cliff, your body will burn carbs until the glycogenic metabolic process in the muscle tissue overloads, and all that's left is the aerobic process, which leaves you sucking wind. Our bodies only retain about a 2 day supply of glycogen, mostly in the liver, at any time; the rest being converted to fats and deposited in the fat cells throughout our body. Let me repeat that carbs are converted to fats in our body when it is working properly and we consume excess carbs, and that is a one way process. Our bodies are only able to absorb a certain amount of fats via digestion, regardless of how much we consume, because the amount of digestive enzymes required to break it down into absorbable fatty acids is limited. In contrast, we can absorb as much carbs, especially the simpler ones like sugar, as we can stand to eat, as the absorption process is not as reliant on enzymatic conversion in the digestive system. A tendancy to overconsume carbs, especially sugar, can lead to diabetes, as insulin production tries to keep up. Thus we see people with blood sugar levels spiking after eating things like cake, a precursor to the onset of diabetes. Dr. Atkins, among others, realized the distinction between these two processes could be used in our favor, thus the relative success of the low carb diet at achieving weight loss while also diminishing appetite.

From a survival perspective, I am more inclined towards a food source that will provide me with a sustained energy level, and not tend to spike my blood sugar too much. Some carbohydrate consumption would be desirable. I would rather the bulk of my consumption be fats and proteins. It seems easier to me to add a cup of oats to my pemmican mix than to wrap my snickers bars with a piece of bacon or two, though sometimes I do get these weird cravings...

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#104117 - 08/31/07 02:13 AM Re: High Calorie Emergency Food [Re: benjammin]
Raspy Offline
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Registered: 01/08/04
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Loc: Centre Hall Pa
If you want to go DIY here are some Pemican Recipes.
http://w4.lns.cornell.edu/~seb/pemmican.html
http://www.lns.cornell.edu/~seb/pemmican.html
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Cabin/3067/Pemmican.html
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/notukeu/pemmican_e.htm
http://members.tripod.com/~Dietman2/pemmican.html
http://newton.dep.anl.gov/natbltn/200-299/nb257.htm
http://www.mountain-breeze.com/kitchen/trail/5.html
http://imnh.isu.edu/digitalatlas/teach/lsnplns/jerkylp.htm
http://www.panix.com/~paleodiet/list/pemmican.htm
http://www.physicalmind.com/pemmican.htm
http://www.historytelevision.ca/Quest/features/pemmican/
http://www.angelfire.com/tn2/minsrecipes/AboutHowTo/Pemmican.htm
http://www.think-aboutit.com/native/pemmican.htm
http://www.calverley.ca/Part01-FirstNations/01-047.html
http://www.bright.net/~deforge1/Pemmican.html
http://seakayak.hypermart.net/Kayakdocs2/Pemmican%20more%20recipes.htm
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/rohdenburg81a.html

And some Power Bar Recipes
Power Bars, Granola Bars and Sports Drinks

Well I recommended trying to make your own power bars. So I decided it would only be fair if I went out and found a few. Well maybe I went a tad overboard. But at least everyone should be able to find something to match their taste.

http://www.ellenskitchen.com/recipebox/powetrec.html
http://www.ellenskitchen.com/recipebox/powrec.html
http://wcpo.com/recipes/2003/03/21.html
http://www.blutech.com/laser/bardrink.html
http://www.recipecottage.com/snacks/
http://www.bakery-net.com/rdocs/recipes/powerbar.html
http://www.homeschoolzone.com/cook/powerbars.htm
http://www.cyber-kitchen.com/ubbs/archive/SNACKS/Granola_Bars_Power_Bar_Recipes_by_bme.html
http://www.cyber-kitchen.com/ubbs/archive/SNACKS/Miscellaneous_Energy_Bars.html
http://familyfun.go.com/recipes/family/feature/famf59picnic/famf59picnic9.html
http://www.swimbikerunstlouis.com/homemade_energy_bars.htm
http://www.allhomemadecookies.com/recipes/browniesbars/energybars.htm
http://gorp.com/gorp/food/expert/exp031401.htm
http://www.cptips.com/hmdesnk.htm#sport
http://www.bicyclesource.com/body/nutrition/energy-bars/printer-bar-list.shtml
http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/ah_personal_care_exercise/article/0,1801,HGTV_3145_1383326,00.html
http://tandemstuff.homestead.com/Recipes2.html
http://www.onecook.com/recipe.htm?&recid=82
http://members.tripod.com/bmdistrun/pwrbars.htm
http://www.westcoastfamilies.com/html/02__easy-to-make__delicious_ba.html
http://www.recipezaar.com/recipe/getrecipe.zsp?id=62493
http://www.trentbaker.com/RECIPES.htm
http://64.246.57.173/t50378.html
http://64.246.57.173/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30233&highlight=protein+bars
http://64.246.57.173/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24753&highlight=protein+bar

Sports Drinks
http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/N3411.pdf
http://www.davidhays.net/running/sportsdrink.html
http://www.diet-coaching.com/hmsport.html

Because I also recommended making your own jerky. If anyone would like links to some recipes ask and I'll post them.
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#104181 - 08/31/07 07:47 PM Re: High Calorie Emergency Food [Re: ]
benjammin Offline
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Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 4020
Loc: Anchorage AK
Now that's what I'm talking about, baby! What a list.

I also have a great recipe for something called a "BIF" bar, which I think is in the archives here.

Variety, it is the spice of life.

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#104194 - 08/31/07 09:23 PM Re: High Calorie Emergency Food [Re: benjammin]
Katie Offline
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Registered: 08/23/07
Posts: 85
I was a member of a ski club in high school, about the time Power Bars first became all the rage. One thing I learned very quickly on the slopes was that unless you kept them close to your body, Power Bars (Snickers Bars, most energy bars) set up as hard as three day old concrete when they get cold. Eating them requires drooling on them long enough to soften them up. Pop Tarts, on the other hand, have a tendency to crumble into powder when you fall on them, but it is tasty, tasty powder and requires no drool.

I'm sure they're not nutritionally balanced, but they do fall into the "morale booster - tastes great" category, are pretty caloric, and if you eat enough of them, you might be able to make your own survival blanket out of all the little mylar pouches they come packaged in. smile

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#104203 - 08/31/07 10:43 PM Re: High Calorie Emergency Food [Re: Katie]
JCWohlschlag Offline
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Registered: 11/26/06
Posts: 724
Loc: Sterling, Virginia, United Sta...
Originally Posted By: Katie
… and if you eat enough of them, you might be able to make your own survival blanket out of all the little mylar pouches they come packaged in. smile

LOL… I’d love to see a picture of that… especially if it’s Doug who’s wrapped up in a “space” blanket made out of Pop-Tart wrappers and scotch (or duct) tape.
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#104208 - 09/01/07 12:14 AM Re: High Calorie Emergency Food [Re: Katie]
Blitz Offline
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Registered: 08/23/07
Posts: 535
Loc: MA
Katie,

As far as (frozen) snicker bars go, you can always use the Seinfeld method, knife and fork.


Blitz


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#104211 - 09/01/07 12:51 AM Re: High Calorie Emergency Food [Re: ]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Thanks, Guys!

Sue

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