I still have one of those *Permanent Matches*. Piece of junk. Almost any other firestarter is better: matches, ferrocerium rod, Bic lighter, Spark-lite. <br>A couple of months ago, I filled it up and used it, to remind myself that it is as you say, a *cheap novelty item*.<br><br>Walter<br><br><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Walter on 07/21/01 01:53 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>