yup, i've seen those russ, but shipping pushes the price up to about 45, the same model on e-bay however is 39.95 shipped, and that BD storm is definitely one of the ones I'm considering, and I was thinking the same as you, one good one for me, a less pricey one for DS ... then again, depending on what we can find, might just get 2 cheaper ones for now and maybe DW can get me one of the BD's for Christmas this year