A woman who is living in England (Birmingham, I think) was talking via phone to a news guy on KOMO radio (Seattle). She is someone known to the news guy, whatever recommendation that confers, if any.

She said that it isn't economics, it isn't race, it's for fun-- the rioters are 'going shopping' and destroying whatever they can. Some of the violence and theft are being perpetuated by kids as young as nine years old. They're setting fire to shops where they know people are living above. In my book, that's attempted murder.

With the elimination of most of the guns in England, the rioters know that if most people try to fight back it is likely going to have to be hand-to-hand combat. Which side is likely to have the most experience?

I was reading about bear spray, and the can only lasts about 7 seconds. I think you would need a good supply of bear spray, or only a small supply of rioters.

On the subject of intent to stop, not kill (mostly), how about loading shotgun shells with rock salt?

Sue