This is a good discussion.
Arnie i agree with you 1,000%. I also do the reverse counting in the gym - it's pathetic how quick and easy it is to eat yourself out of the benefits - calorie-wise - of 50 minutes of cardio.
As an aside - I understand the calorie counters on gym machines are VERY rough. Plus or minus 25%.
So i'm to only guy here, thinking of eating
enough calories before working out...? I eat whatever i want and i'm still loosing weight. But than again if sport somewhere between 7 to 10 times a week.