well after that thread i saw some great gear for a bargain, so i spend over € 150... so after that i didn't have enough cash for them, but at this moment im considering a SOG Crossgrip or Leathermen Squirt P4, because they have a lot of feature's and are stronger than the seber and swisstech tools ( looks flimsy ). But the 2 days ago i lost mine key chain tool i did have <img src="images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> ( Coast micro toolbox ). Now i'm not sure weather i should save for the SOG or Leathermen or buy a new Coast microtoolbox first. And im also not sure weather i still want such a expensive tool on mine keychain. But hopefully i will go to the US in the summer in 2004 and buy one there for a exseptiable price for EDC carry ( if it cost to much im not gonna carry it for EDC ).