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#99146 - 07/04/07 09:06 PM Re: Bear and Les [Re: Frankie]


I don't know much about Doug's experience, but I'm humbly guessing that you can't really compare him with Ray Mears. I'm not totally sure but Doug seems to be more like a pilot specialized in "emergency survival" as opposed to bushcraft like Mears.

I don't think Ray Mears would really see it as a survival challenge. I think he prefers the wilderness rather than any notion of 'escaping' back to civilization. I suspect that is the main difference between 'bushcrafters' and 'ETsurvivors' even though they carry the same kit. Happiness I suspect for Ray is sitting under a rock in the rain beside his fire on the west coast of Scotland eating his recently collected shellfish.

#99196 - 07/05/07 09:53 PM Re: Bear and Les [Re: Chris Kavanaugh]
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Registered: 02/24/07
Posts: 175
+1 on the smackdown of Seagull.

I've rolled and thrown with a few good judoka, and as long as they practice enough newaza (ground-fighting) they are legit in a scrap.

As Rickson Gracie (he's a GREAT grappler, decent mixed martial artist) said in my presence when asked about aikido (S. Seagull's art):"It's....nice." He wasn't being complimentary.

When the SHTF, no one comes out of it smelling pretty.

#99223 - 07/06/07 02:14 AM Re: Bear and Les [Re: ]
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Registered: 11/16/05
Posts: 1047
Loc: Hawaii, USA
Originally Posted By: bentirran
Happiness I suspect for Ray is sitting under a rock in the rain beside his fire on the west coast of Scotland eating his recently collected shellfish.

Sounds great to me.

#99611 - 07/11/07 10:45 AM Re: Bear and Les [Re: Sventek]
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Registered: 04/30/07
Posts: 17

I`d vote for Les. There are good basic ideas with Bear, he just constantly take too many unnessecary stupid chances.

Someone like Ray Mears though, is at a completely different level. It wouldn`t be a matter of survival to him. It would just be a question of comfort. That man has practiced his skills, that`s for sure

#99612 - 07/11/07 10:57 AM Re: Bear and Les [Re: falcon5000]
OddArne Offline

Registered: 04/30/07
Posts: 17
Originally Posted By: falcon5000
Bears at it again, This time he's trying to be like Doug (By recommending gear)and endorsing it too. What a nut.



I think I`ll get most of my gear somewhere else.

#99760 - 07/12/07 09:34 PM Re: Bear and Les [Re: OddArne]
joaquin39 Offline

Registered: 03/19/05
Posts: 149
Loc: Philadelphia,Pennsyvania, USA.
In the picture of the survival tin, he shows a folding knife, but in the list it is not mentioned.

#99765 - 07/12/07 10:48 PM Re: Bear and Les [Re: falcon5000]
atoz Offline

Registered: 01/25/06
Posts: 144
Loc: Nevada
Funny there is no referance to Bear Gyllis in the ABOUT US. So I think they are just alluding to an affilation. with THE Bear.

#99766 - 07/12/07 10:50 PM Re: Bear and Les [Re: aloha]
atoz Offline

Registered: 01/25/06
Posts: 144
Loc: Nevada
One week is to short, as it is just a last out a few day. Make it a year.

#99814 - 07/13/07 04:40 PM Re: Bear and Les & their expert & consultants [Re: NightHiker]
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Registered: 04/26/07
Posts: 266
Loc: Ohio, USA
Originally Posted By: NightHiker
I'm curious if Bear's Nic Vroomans and Les's Michael Kiraly are constant members of the production team or just brought on for those specific areas. I would guess that Dave Holladay was acting in that capacity for Les in the Sonoran.

You know, I noticed the same thing on a rerun of Bear's Iceland episode - Vroomans was listed as survival expert.

I am speculating that since these shows are geared toward survival in different situations without any equpment to speak of, someone on the staff has the ongoing job of researching local plants, animals and hazards, and communicating that information to the presenter/actor/star. I would think that it would be nearly impossible to be equally expert on each and every area of the world. I mean, I can knock around here in the Northeast somewhat adequately, but in your neck of the woods I would not immediately know many of the useful plants, for example.

And if I were in Iceland it would never occur to me to risk hypothermia by jumping into a glacial creek because I could see steam from a geothermal spring on the horizon and assume I could get there and get warm before I passed out and died. I'm just too uneducated and provincial, I guess.

All we can do is all we can do.

#99853 - 07/14/07 02:42 PM Re: Bear and Les & their expert & consultants [Re: NightHiker]
Juddzilla Offline

Registered: 03/19/06
Posts: 15
Loc: Central California
Bear has a different, local survival expert listed at the end of each episode. I've tried Googling them to see if they have their own websites, and most don't.

Bear's expert for the Everglades is a fairly well known author (don't recall his name right now) of local nature books, and is even featured on the board of tourism site.

The African expert has his own safari outfit, etc.

I find myself more interested in the credits than I am in the show itself!
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