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#87812 - 03/08/07 11:22 PM Re: Practice scenario: Leaving Las Vegas [Re: MartinFocazio]
benjammin Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
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Loc: Anchorage AK
Geez, when I was there, just about everyone I hung with (including females) had something they could tote. I never tried to buy a gun there, but if this is the case, then LV is just another place to cross off my list now.

It must not be much of a concern, considering how often I came and went in casinos with one on me, they must've known, considering their security protocols, and just didn't see it as an issue.

Either way, from now on, LV will only be a place to stop while passing through to somewhere else. I wiped my shoes at their doorstep when I left there long ago (biblical significance).
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#87855 - 03/09/07 06:56 AM Re: Practice scenario: Leaving Las Vegas [Re: benjammin]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Just a thought: if you need to grab water, one place that might not be high on the list of other people could be a dollar store. Most of them sell water, $1/gallon (often in that better, clear plastic), or multipacks of the smaller bottles for $1. Also cheap juices.

You can't walk out of Vegas with a kid, even in the three-day spring or fall (both don't happen in the same calendar year). Don't try it. Don't even consider it.

Benjammin, come to WA. Permits for CC are easy to get unless you're a felon, then it's probably a little harder. Half the people in the state carry weapons with a CC; the other half just carry weapons.

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#87893 - 03/09/07 06:56 PM Re: Practice scenario: Leaving Las Vegas [Re: Susan]
miner Offline
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Registered: 09/05/03
Posts: 74
Loc: Layton, Utah
Interesting scenario. I live in Salt Lake City and can see no reason that I'd want to go from Vegas to LA, NO, or Chicago. I have driven north on Highway 93 to I-80 and that is one lonely highway (which you can drive without traversing the AFB).

I cannot see a scenario that would cause large scale evacuation of Las Vegas (e.g. a hurricane). If the SHTF and you had to leave, you'd likely be on the highway with the 350,00 tourists (many of which flew in and would be trying to fly out, hence not be on the highway) and not the 2 million who live there. I'd just jump in the car and head to Mesquite or St. George, (or Kingman or Barstow or Tonopah, depending on where you are heading)and supply there (assuming I had a full tank of gas and a few drinks in the car). I know people in St. George so could hole up for awhile

I was at a conference in Vegas in December (while the World Championship Rodeo was going on) and the surface streets are gridlock. I suppose I was in violation of the law because I packed heat but had no problems. I have to agree that the city is a sewer.

Once you get out of the city, there is a lot of the middle-of-nowhere so I think the traffic would disperse relatively quickly and travel would get easier the further you traveled. Of course getting out of town is the trick.

My co-worker went down there yesterday for the Mountain West Conference Basketball Tournament (he's a BYU grad). His son (also a BYU grad) lives in Henderson. We kind of discussed this earlier this week because there is a NASCAR race this weekend in Vegas. We decided that the best thing for him to do is to leave I-15 in Glendale and drive along the shore of Lake Meade to get to Henderson. Yes, it is longer but more scenic and avoids all the congestion in North Las Vegas from the race track. His plan was to go down that way yesterday and come back that way on Sunday. I'll try to let you know how that worked out for him after I talk to him next week.

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#87942 - 03/10/07 12:27 AM Re: Practice scenario: Leaving Las Vegas [Re: Susan]
benjammin Offline
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Oh, I have my Washington CWP now, from when I was living in Kennewick before I shipped off to Baghdad. It is still good, but I doubt I will get back there soon enough to renew it. Yep, got my first Washington state CWP when I was 21. Had one ever since. Never a problem getting one. I always put down as my reason for wanting to have one "for personal safety" and was never challenged or rejected for it.

Now that I am a travelling man, I must resort to other means. You're right, though. Those otherwise law-abiding citizens across the country who conclude that packing illegally is better than the alternative are increasing in number.
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#87949 - 03/10/07 03:06 AM Re: Practice scenario: Leaving Las Vegas [Re: miner]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
"I cannot see a scenario that would cause large scale evacuation of Las Vegas (e.g. a hurricane)."

Water coming into Vegas isn't usually a problem, if you don't try to cross the flooded roads.

Water NOT coming into Vegas would be the first disaster that came to my mind. It's a city of two million residents plus tourists. If the water supply was cut off or contaminated, you would have a ghost town. If a bit of drinking water was available, the price would be astronomical.

But I doubt that even a military operation could bring enough water in to keep that many people alive.

sue

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#88447 - 03/15/07 05:11 PM Re: Practice scenario: Leaving Las Vegas [Re: Susan]
miner Offline
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Registered: 09/05/03
Posts: 74
Loc: Layton, Utah
Originally Posted By: Susan
Water coming into Vegas isn't usually a problem, if you don't try to cross the flooded roads.

Water NOT coming into Vegas would be the first disaster that came to my mind. It's a city of two million residents plus tourists. If the water supply was cut off or contaminated, you would have a ghost town. If a bit of drinking water was available, the price would be astronomical.

But I doubt that even a military operation could bring enough water in to keep that many people alive.


True, but I'd think there would be a little lead time on that. Besides, I cannot see 2 million people immediately packing up and heading out of town cause the water quit running. Most would sit tight figuring it had to start working again pretty soon.

I'd just head east to Lake Meade, build a fire and boil away for enough to get me out of there. Plus while I'm boiling water, I'd let the masses disperse.

My co-worker traveled along the shore of Lake Meade coming and going last week (going down on Thursday and coming back Sunday - as I stated in an earlier post, he went to the Mountain West Conference Basketball Tournament and there was a NASCAR race there at the same time). He enjoyed a scenic drive and figured it took him an extra hour each direction. A guy on the radio who covered the B-ball Tourney complained that it took him 3 to 4 extra hours due to traveling I-15 with the NASCAR traffic trying to get back to Salt Lake on Sunday.

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#88511 - 03/16/07 02:40 AM Re: Practice scenario: Leaving Las Vegas [Re: miner]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Okay... laugh a third would sit tight while waiting for their government to save them; a third would head out of town; a third would head for Lake Mead, drink the water without treating it and be spewing diarrhea all over the place, thus further contaminating the water. grin grin grin

Cynical Sue

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#89095 - 03/22/07 01:10 AM Re: Practice scenario: Leaving Las Vegas [Re: teacher]
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Registered: 01/30/07
Posts: 79
Loc: South Texas
A lot of "work hard and play by the rules" answers, but what about the guy who is not willing to jeopardize his 6 year old family member or himself, in an major emergency, and decides to stick a gun or a knife up your nose?
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#89104 - 03/22/07 02:11 AM Re: Practice scenario: Leaving Las Vegas [Re: alvacado]
ironraven Offline
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Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 4642
Loc: Vermont
Am I in or out of the car?

Cars give you superior speed, are reasonable agile, and let's face it, 1500 pounds at 44fps beats 230 grains at 850fps. That is part of why I actually prefeer an automatic to a standard- just apply gas, no need to shift or clutch if something is happening NOW.
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#89111 - 03/22/07 03:08 AM Re: Practice scenario: Leaving Las Vegas [Re: alvacado]
AROTC Offline
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Registered: 05/06/04
Posts: 604
Loc: Manhattan
Not a bad point. I don't carry a gun and none of the knives I regulary carry would be effective weapons, but a five dollar 6" Walmart chefs knife can sort that out. Use tape and cardboard to make a sheath and tape it down next to the seat of your car. Or tape the sheath to your leg inside your pants and rip out the lining of your pocket so you just have to reach into your pocket and pull out the knife. Instant access to an effective short term weapon. Alternatively a club can be improvised and hidden up the sleave of your jacket (if its cool enough to wear one). Weapons are easy to get a hold of if you think the situation will turn that direction.

As always keep your eyes out and avoid situations if you can. Keep enough distance between you and the car in front at a stop to drive around them. Windows rolled up or only down a couple inches (go ahead stick your hand in there, I've always wondered if my windows could take a hand off). Walking, be aware of your surroundings, keep an eye on where people are, where they're looking and what their hands are doing.
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