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#89405 - 03/25/07 04:27 AM Re: expandable batons... [Re: aligator]
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Good idea. I have even seen canes that probably could be spun like a PR-24, but even without that, a cane would be a great jabbing impliment...
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#89431 - 03/25/07 02:37 PM Re: expandable batons...
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Originally Posted By: yeti
Good idea. I have even seen canes that probably could be spun like a PR-24, but even without that, a cane would be a great jabbing impliment...


OBG, Yea, and I think that any structure hit with a 36" piece of solid hickory moving at speed is gonna be dysfunctional if not broken. It also extends your "sphere of influence" over other contact weapons. I'm not convinced I'd choose to confront an edged weapon or gun with my stick, but if I can deliver a disabling blow before they can access their weapon and get off the x, maybe I'd have a chance and that's why I also carry other tools. Regards, Jim


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#89439 - 03/25/07 03:23 PM Re: expandable batons... [Re: aligator]
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I'm not sure how much speed one can get up swinging a cane (seems that the extra length would slow it down), might have to try with my mother-in-laws. But I still remember my old "three from the ring," and I know (from experience) that jabbing a bad guy in the vicinity of the solar plexis a couple of times with something long, skinny, and fast will really take the fight out of him/her. Then, while he/she is flat in the gutter gasping for breath, you can boogie on down the road...
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#89517 - 03/26/07 06:47 AM Re: expandable batons... [Re: OldBaldGuy]
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Aloha OBG,

While it might not seem to be moving very fast, the tip is moving at a pretty mighty clip. And the longer the cane, the faster the velocity at the tip, assuming the cane is swung at the same speed. The velocity and therefore, force at the tip is much greater than at your hand.

If you can make contact, you will probably get the job done and buy yourself time for your next action whther it be follow up or flee.
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#89528 - 03/26/07 02:55 PM Re: expandable batons... [Re: aloha]
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In theory that seems correct, at least up to a point. But I can still remember (and from time to time practice) swinging my old 26" wooden baton (it is now a tire thumper for our motorhome), and comparing that with swinging something like a half of a broomstick. Seems that the 26incher impacts harder than the longer stick. Might just be my impression tho, I have not been able to talk my wife into letting me test on her...
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#89542 - 03/26/07 06:58 PM Re: expandable batons... [Re: OldBaldGuy]
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Both mass and velocity come into play here.

Think of it this way. If you hit somebody with a switch, that sucker (the switch) will be moving awefully fast, it will hurt a lot, but a stinging type of hurt. Hit someone with a bat, which would move slower relatively, and something might break.
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#89636 - 03/27/07 07:28 PM Re: expandable batons... [Re: aligator]
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Registered: 08/20/05
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Originally Posted By: aligator
... what about a walking stick or cane? ...
They, are the only weapon that doesn't need to be accessed or drawn to be used, they are already in your hands.
They are legal anywhere.
They are not viewed by other people or the constabulary as weapons.
They won't collapse on you at an inopportune time. ...
My favorite "urban weapon" for exactly the same reasons.
If your in a situation that requires a weapon, odds are you will not be able to bring the weapon to bear unless your well practiced and the weapon is carried in some sort of combat rig.
The Unbreakable Walking-Stick Umbrella, and Cold Steel's walking sticks.

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#89654 - 03/28/07 12:29 AM Re: expandable batons... [Re: CrowManyClouds]
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And, maybe best of all, as you walk down the street, cane in hand, you are not, in the eyes of the law, carrying a "weapon." Use it to defend yourself, and chances are the most law enforcement would say to you is "good job." Carry an ASP, and in some jurisdictions you could be arrested simply for having it.

Don't go looking for a cane sword tho, or all bets are off...
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#89838 - 03/29/07 06:01 PM Re: expandable batons... [Re: OldBaldGuy]
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I had never really thought about the unbreakable umbrella or walking stick. This is truly an exellent idea for the urban environment. Thanks CMC.

Craig.

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