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#80443 - 12/15/06 05:32 PM Equipped for Mt Hood
clearwater Offline
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Registered: 03/19/05
Posts: 1177
Loc: Channeled Scablands
Here is an exercise in being equipped.

What 5 things would you want those climbers on Hood to have.

Assume they already have climbing gear (ice axe, rope etc.)
and that they are wearing appropriate clothes for staying warm
while moving in that environment. Also keep in mind that
climbing Mt Hood has been compared to running a marathon in terms
of energy expenditure.

List them in order of importance and if possible give a brand/model,
weight and why you would include this item.

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#80444 - 12/15/06 06:18 PM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
duckear Offline
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PLB
-20 sleeping bag
4 season tent
stove/fuel
pot

what all that weigh? 10 or so lbs for top of the line? And they could split up everything but the sleeping bags. So, 6 or 7 lbs per person.



Edited by duckear (12/15/06 06:27 PM)

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#80447 - 12/15/06 08:15 PM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
Frankie Offline
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Registered: 09/19/03
Posts: 736
Loc: Montréal, Québec, Canada
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-Not sure how well they work in weather like that, but it'll help.


This one they say it floats, is waterproof to 3.3 ft and can be store at -58 °F:



http://www.acrelectronics.com/PLBorig/gypsi.html

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Cookset+Fuel.
-Can't build a fire inside a snow shelter all that well, so this can at least provide cooking as well as some heat.


I know you're probably all aware of this but carbon monoxide poisoning is a threat, maybe it's better small candles and a hole using your pole for aeration.

Frankie

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#80449 - 12/15/06 09:00 PM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
clearwater Offline
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Registered: 03/19/05
Posts: 1177
Loc: Channeled Scablands
In reply to my own post.

1 Shelter-metal avalanche shovel (each person due to avalance hazard
and quickness of shelter building ideally) with the ice axes
they can build a roomy enough snow cave to keep away from the wall
of the shelter and vent it well. Much warmer than a tent. Metal chops through hard snow better than plastic. 1.5 lbs each

2 Water- stove, white gas with a quart of fuel or so as they will need lots of water to stave off hypothermia and frost bite for the several days trapped. They will need to be very careful to ventilate properly, but it has been done safely countless time on climbs. MSR Whisperlight is a good one.
3 lbs with fuel and pot. One or two per group.

3 Food- high calorie, like plastic jar of peanut butter etc.. 2 lbs each
(more is better)

4 PLB. Not listed earlier in this list 'cause so far it wouldn't have saved their lives (at least the one up high in the cave) 'cause rescuers can't get there yet.
(A gps and cell phone may be more valuable for both self rescue and
helping searchers, but that adds another item).

5 sleeping bag, synthetic fill 30 degree plenty when combined with the
snow cave and clothes. They can sit on their ropes and packs for ground insulation. Preferably each person, 2 lbs each.

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#80450 - 12/15/06 10:00 PM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
billym Offline
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Registered: 12/01/05
Posts: 616
Loc: Oakland, California
If I was going to climb Hood in a day which is what most do. I would have;
A bivy sack like an Integral Designs Salathe'.
A cookset consisting of a MSR XGK, 2 11oz fuel bottles and a titanium pot. White gas is the only way to go in the cold. The canister stoves get sluggish pretty fast.
A Nalgene 32oz Wide mouth bottle to shove snow in to melt into water. If you keep you bottle always more that 1/2 full you can farm snow if it is not super cool. Otherwise fill from cookpot.
A METAL avalanche shovel like a Voile' Telepro. PLastic DOES break no matter what they say.
A PLB because it is either that or a cell phone. I would expect to climb with at least one other person and they might stick with the Cell so we have flexibility.


Edited by billym (12/15/06 10:02 PM)

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#80451 - 12/15/06 11:32 PM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5357
Loc: SOCAL
I like the ideas below and everyone can agree that a PLB is always good to have, but most will not go that route. However, since they have a cell signal, a GPS with a baro altimeter such as the Garmin Geko 301, along with the cell phone they already have would allow them to send pretty decent (<20') location with elevation/altitude via text message. Then instead of T-Mobile trying to triangulate their location, SAR could concentrate on how to get to them. The Geko weighs all of 3.4 oz' so there is very little weight impact.
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#80452 - 12/16/06 01:52 AM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
A goodly amount of common sense. It doesn't weigh anything, you always have it with you (if you've got any), and it works well with lots of other gear.

Sue

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#80453 - 12/16/06 02:18 AM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
Russ Offline
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Loc: SOCAL
You mean common sense as in checking the weather before you walk out the door? What's the fun in that?
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#80454 - 12/16/06 02:45 AM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
duckear Offline
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,,,,,everyone can agree that a PLB is always good to have, but most will not go that route.


Which I find rather amusing. All the talk about being "equipped" for this and that yet I'll bet 99% of the frequenters of this site have hundreds of dollars in this and that for their kit, yet are too cheap to spring for a PLB. Heading into the remote backcountry, flying a private aircraft, or heading offshore, there is no excuse for not having a PLB.


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#80455 - 12/16/06 03:45 AM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
Russ Offline
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Loc: SOCAL
IMO the reason PLB's aen't as popular as they should be is that on land, other gear can be used for the same function and also be used doing everyday things. A cellphone is self explanatory, they're used everyday and are extremely common. The GPS I like to carry (that Garmin Geko I linked to) can be used any day for hiking. There are places that you won't get a cellphone signal and in those areas the cellphone/GPS combo isn't much good, but since getting lost is one of the emergencies people have in the wilderness, the GPS is a really good fix for that -- stay found and you won't need to get found.
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#80456 - 12/16/06 03:55 AM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
jshannon Offline
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Registered: 02/02/03
Posts: 647
Loc: North Texas
Excellent exercise. I would take this for a fastpack summit attempt away from basecamp.

1. Shelter- snow shovel
2. Communication- PLB
3. Fire- matches
4. Hydration- stove
5. Insulation- sleeping bag


Edited by jshannon (12/16/06 04:25 AM)

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#80457 - 12/16/06 04:19 AM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
billym Offline
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Loc: Oakland, California
Good luck melting enough snow with a solid fuel stove.
Basecamp for most routes on Hood is your car.


Edited by billym (12/16/06 04:20 AM)

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#80458 - 12/16/06 04:21 AM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
jshannon Offline
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Loc: North Texas
The stove may definitely need to be upgraded for a climb..

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#80459 - 12/16/06 06:59 AM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
Wiggys Antarctic -60 degree rated sleeping bag that has been factory vacuum packed. Wiggy's lamilite regains almost full loft faster than any other insulation. The climber's fate is balanced on a finite capacity to maintain warmth through food and external heat. They need the best system available to conserve that heat.

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#80461 - 12/16/06 08:10 PM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
JIM Offline
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Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 1032
Loc: The Netherlands
How about a:

- Doug Ritter Ultimate Aviation Survival Pak
- Well insulated sleeping-bag
- Extra water/food
- PLB
- Satellite-phone
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#80463 - 12/17/06 04:56 AM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
OldBaldGuy Offline
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Registered: 09/30/01
Posts: 5695
Loc: Former AFB in CA, recouping fr...
"...I'd kill to own..."

OK, my ex wife lives at...naaahhhh, I probably better not.

You are right about the kit tho...
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#80464 - 12/17/06 05:02 AM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
Excomantia Offline
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Registered: 11/27/06
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Loc: Moved to my new home and now h...
Hey, while your at it, the other half of that kit is with my estranged wife at... aherm.. well, she did just agree to sign the papers the way I had them drawn up... nevermind... but still, if you get a wild hair up your... errr.. nahh...
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#80465 - 12/17/06 05:06 AM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
duckear Offline
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Posts: 478
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I'd kill to own one of Doug's aviation survival kits. Damned fine assortment.



Okay, here's a link for you <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

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#80467 - 12/17/06 09:53 PM Re: Equipped for Mt Hood
DougM Offline
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Registered: 11/03/06
Posts: 48
For winter mt. climbing ANYWHERE in the Northwest, wisdom enough not to go in the first pkace.

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