#77459 - 11/26/06 03:49 PM
Re: Cool weather camping advise?
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Cranky Geek
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Loc: Vermont
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The reason why I don't like air matresses when it is cold is simple.
What is an airmatress? A ruber/plastic bag that you put air into. So you have a single air pocket between you and the ground, which conducts the heat from that air pocker faster than you can warm it. Since it is a single, big air pocket, it takes a long time for you to heat it near to body tempurature in the first place, even if the ground wasn't stealing your hard won and well used calories from it. And the matterial itself usually has nothing in the way for heat retention- the only advantage that this would have over a hammock is that ever warmth has stayed in the air away when you get a gust of wind.
Foam pads, on the other hand, are a collection of little tiny air pockets (easier to heat) trapped in a semi-solid material.
Also, the air mattresses sometimes get brittle in the cold, and the moisture that you blew into it while inflating has a habit of turning into ice, which then turns into water, and is very, very hard if not impossible to get out in the woods, adding ot the weight in your pack.
For warm weather, sure, they work, but for the weight, I find a foam pad more comfortable.
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#77463 - 12/01/06 06:37 AM
Re: Cool weather camping advise?
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Registered: 06/29/05
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Loc: Arizona
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I've cold weather camped a lot and I've never been warm. Simple fact is if it's X degrees out....you're gonna be cold. While this may be true at times, it does not always have to be the case. With proper equipment and proper setup you can be warm in just about any tempature that is survivable. After a few nights where I was not as warm as I would have liked, I decided to fix the problem.There still may be times when the gear I have with me is inadaquate for the current conditions and I have to suffer a little, good planning and preperation has kept those nights few and far between and freak situations where I didn't plan on staying out all night.
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#77465 - 12/01/06 05:12 PM
Re: Cool weather camping advise?
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Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 156
Loc: Chicago burbs
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I'm with OldBaldGuy on this one. A proper bag, a thermarest, and a closed cell foam pad.
It's amazing how much body heat you can loose through contact with the ground.
Another excellent point was dry a dry sleep kit. Even in temperate weather, I keep one outfit clean and reserved for for sleep (thermals, shorts, whatever). Besides the retarding the "clammy factor" when cold, it really makes a difference in your comfort, and I like to be comfortable when I sleep.
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#77466 - 12/01/06 06:09 PM
Re: Cool weather camping advise?
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Registered: 11/29/06
Posts: 19
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Here is the setup I used for my last snowshoeing trip. We set up the tent right on top of the snow, and I was perfectly warm. When I woke up in the am there was ice on the tent, and icicles inside from the moisture in our breath, but I was fine and warm. It boils down to this: a good tent (this wont work for stargazing obviously), a good bag, and a good thermal pad.
Tent: North Face Mountian 25 Bag: Moonstone Maxima 0deg bag Pad: Thermarest
Clothing I wear for sleep: Thin set of capaleine long underwear, wool hat. Thats it. In my experience the more clothes you wear in your sleeping bag the more your body has expend energy to warm up the colder you will be. Of course if your bag is not suited for the conditions you will have to wear clothes.
All an air matress does is put a large volume of cold air right next to your body. Makes for a cold night.
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