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#75172 - 10/20/06 04:45 AM Starting a fire with a gun
redflare Offline
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I just watched the Arctic survival episode by Les Stroud, but was interrupted at the time when Les was starting a fire using his gun.
Did anyone watch the entire process? What did he do to the bullet to start a fire?


Edited by redflare (10/20/06 04:47 AM)

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#75173 - 10/20/06 08:52 AM Re: Starting a fire with a gun
JIM Offline
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I recall the mythbusters doing something similar.

From my SAS- survival handbook: Remove half the gun powder from the cartrige, put that on your tinder.
Put a small cotton pad into the cartrige. Load the cartridge in the weapon and fire.

I'm not relying on this one.
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#75174 - 10/20/06 12:15 PM Re: Starting a fire with a gun
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Jim pretty much covered it.

Les kept blowing his tinder all over the place. It was pretty amusing. He eventually got a fire going after 3 or 4 rounds.
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#75175 - 10/20/06 01:26 PM Re: Starting a fire with a gun
norad45 Offline
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I try like heck to make sure I always have 8 or 9 other ways that I can exhaust before I have to resort to that one. I've been successful so far.... <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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#75176 - 10/20/06 03:42 PM Re: Starting a fire with a gun?????????????????
billym Offline
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Come on Les; this one is just silly.
So many more useful ways to use the gun (hunt, signal).
So far I have loved his 1st season; what I saw of it.

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#75177 - 10/20/06 05:30 PM Re: Starting a fire with a gun
thseng Offline
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I seem to remember reading somewhere a long time ago that you remove the bullet and perhaps some of the powder, stuff a rag into the end of the barrel and fire it into the air. Hopefully the rag would drift back down on fire.
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#75178 - 10/20/06 05:38 PM Re: Starting a fire with a gun
Malpaso Offline
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Please, please, please, don't EVER fire a gun with any object in the barrel.
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#75179 - 10/20/06 05:57 PM Re: Starting a fire with a gun
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
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What did Les do with the bullet, remove it? (I am imagining some volunteer SAR person approaching and getting a bullet between the eyes.)

Tom, I've read about that method, too. I don't think you wad it tightly, though, enough to block anything or blow the gun up. More like for muzzle-loading.

Frankly, starting a fire with a gun sounds like you didn't plan ahead at all. Like starting a fire with gasoline without an emergency room nearby.

Now, if you had a flintlock...

Sue

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#75180 - 10/20/06 06:29 PM Re: Starting a fire with a gun
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I've never tried it, but from what I have read/heard, you pack the wadding into the cartrige case, NOT the barrel.

Seems to me, if you had a pretty short barrel, like a 2" .38 or something, you MIGHT be able to pull the bullet, dump all of the powder into a pile on your tinder, put the muzzel close, and pull the trigger. The flash from the primer MIGHT light the stuff off. Last ditch effort in my opinion...
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#75181 - 10/20/06 06:52 PM Re: Starting a fire with a gun
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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I've done it. You remove bullet and @ half the powder charge. Loosely fit a wad of cloth,paper, cotton etc back in case. I stress loosely, we don't want to create overbore, or excessive backpressure. Point firearm DOWN and discharge the weapon. You will with luck have a burning or smoldering tinder @ 8' out on the ground. The worse case is the tinder has allready burned out before it exits the muzzle. Always inspect bore afterwards for residual obstructions.This would be a MacGuyver stunt if Richard Dean Anderson wasn't against firearm ownership. Don't laugh, but cowboys used to place funeral money or early matches in their 6th cylinder. A FOOLPROOF, or fool's way of starting a fire with a weapon is to use AP ammo. I know of 3 major fires started this way by irresponsible shooters.If you have a firearm for Bart the Bear hiding behind the forest coke machine there is no excuse for not having a small kit stored in the cleaning buttrap or in the cartridge sock on the stock. My prefered last ditch method over this is using a fresnel lens by moonlight.

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