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#73731 - 09/24/06 02:47 PM torch Q
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I keep reading on surefire.com that the light can be used as a self defense measure by blinding the attacker, ruining his night vision*. Does anyone here actually know how many amps you need to induce this?

*with night vision I mean street light adapted vision… not full blown desert darkness.

Can you recommend other, cheaper companies which make torches advertised with this function? Like night lite from BHI, do they mention which are bright enough?

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#73732 - 09/24/06 04:08 PM Re: torch Q
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well the effectiveness of the blinding trick is questioned many times. But from my experians people can see me after about 2 seconds after i blasted some light in there eye's at close range in almost total darkness.. (was a luxeon III light, so it's certainly not the most powerfull portable light)

cheaper company's sold in holland are brands like NEXTORCH, streamlight and nuwai on rare occasion. There is a also the "police" brand which in my opinion is a piece of junk.
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#73733 - 09/24/06 04:37 PM Re: torch Q
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From experience: It works, oh yes, it works.
It will buy you about 10 seconds to either run away or demonstrate that the Goblin concerned has just made a [censored] poor choice of victim.
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#73734 - 09/24/06 05:22 PM Re: torch Q
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Take a look at the Inova T3 or T2 as a lower cost alternative to the Surefire lights. I have both models and am very happy with them.

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#73735 - 09/24/06 09:15 PM Re: torch Q
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thanks all. Advice appreciated.

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#73736 - 09/25/06 02:01 AM Re: torch Q
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Two seconds is an awfully long time if you have a big enough agressive streak.
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#73737 - 09/25/06 05:24 AM Re: torch Q
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I carry my surefire when I travel (sometimes 2).. Luckily, I have never needed to use it in such a way. They also have models with bezels that has an impact head which would come in handy (but I don't travel with that one.)

Another tip is to learn some kubuton techniques that can be applied with the torch.

Note that this only applies to a single attacker scenario, and gives you either time to run or counter attack.

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#73738 - 09/26/06 06:08 AM Re: torch Q
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Loc: Seattle, WA
I'd like to underscore that this type of distraction only buys you a small amount of time (I think 10 seconds is a a significant over-estimation). You need to use it wisely - run like the wind or otherwise use it to your advantage.

I think folks typically suggest 60 lumens or higher is recommended for this approach.

Note the Surefire G2 is only $36. And it's a darn good light for the price.

-john


Edited by JohnN (09/26/06 06:11 AM)

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#73739 - 09/26/06 03:17 PM Re: torch Q
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Quote:
Note the Surefire G2 is only $36. And it's a darn good light for the price.


That's what I carry in my pocket when travelling overseas.. If the local police want to confiscate it, I have no problems versus one of my more expensive surefires.. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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#73740 - 09/26/06 10:43 PM Re: torch Q
morph Offline
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Registered: 09/04/06
Posts: 31
Loc: Easton, PA
the G2 is a very good light. i have one of those and a 6P which really isn't worth the extra cost. i've accidentally blinded myself a few times with both of them. the batteries are cheap thru surefire too.

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