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#70964 - 08/10/06 06:55 PM Re: Flying Naked
Malpaso Offline
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Registered: 09/12/05
Posts: 817
Loc: MA
The reason they are not allowing food and water purchased between security and the plane to be taken on the plane is that the belief was that the "secure" area had been compromised, and that was actually where the bad guys were getting the explosive components.
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#70965 - 08/10/06 07:14 PM Re: Flying Naked
Craig_phx Offline
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Registered: 04/05/05
Posts: 715
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Quote:
...most British Muslims, irrespective of their feeling about the war in Iraq or the Israeli/Hizbolla war, do not and never would countenance such acts of murder...


Where did you get that idea? The truth is not something that they are suppose to share with the infidel. <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

"In Islam it's OK to lie and deceive Kafirs (infidels) because Islam is in a permanent state of war with all non-Muslims and deception is a legitimate tactic. The word or promise of a Muslim to a Kafir counts for nothing in the eyes of Allah."
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#70966 - 08/10/06 07:57 PM Re: Flying Naked
Russ Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 4594
Loc: SOCAL
I feel so safe.

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#70967 - 08/10/06 08:23 PM Re: Flying Naked
ki4buc Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 11/10/03
Posts: 710
Loc: Augusta, GA
CNN now says they were planning to use a sports drink mixed with some chemical and possibly detonating it with a cell phone or MP3 player.

This tells us one thing: They are ingenious as the rest of us humans on this planet, and anyone with a brain and some education could probably do the same thing. They will use any combination of "allowed" items to complete their objective. The only way to prevent them from doing anything to aircraft is to make it a completely sterile environment. TSA approved flight wear, everything in checked baggage, bread and water only. Books would have to be banned because they "could" be used as a weapon. Expanding the inflight "entertainment" could make it somewhat bearable. God forbid I'd have to have a chat with the stranger in the seat next to me.

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#70968 - 08/10/06 09:32 PM Re: Flying Naked
Leigh_Ratcliffe Offline
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Registered: 03/31/06
Posts: 1355
Loc: United Kingdom.
Where do I get that idea? Dead simple mate. If they did have the support of most British Muslims, the first that any of us would have known about it is when the Airlines blew up. And I would not be posting on this forum because I would be fighting a civil war against them. The B.M. don't want to get involved because they know a) what will happen if the fundermentalists get a foot hold in this country and b) that the Sikh's (who detest the Muslims with a passion.) will cut loose. Those laddies take their allegance to the Crown very seriously - As do I.
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#70969 - 08/10/06 11:25 PM Just a technical Update
Madbomber_Mike Offline
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Registered: 09/05/05
Posts: 54
Loc: The End of the World, Iraq
OK folks, it's been one hell of a long day, the boss got me out of bed at 3 this morning, and we've been at it all day up until about an hour ago.
Without getting into a bunch of stuff I can't talk about, which is MUCHO! I'll try to sort out a thing or two.
1. The items in question were normal items you might travel with, just not much reason to have in your carry-on.
2. Yes, TSA(Thousands Searching Aimlessly) is having a serious knee-jerk right now. The powers that be don't want to listen to those of us that know about these things. That being said, we ARE wearing them down, now that their panic attack is beginning to subside, and I believe that you should see some more finite instructions as to what can and cannot fly with in the next couple of days.
3. The dropping of inflight beverages and meals (if it happened) is localized and temporary at the most. They better get that stuff back on, I'm flying soon too!
Gimme my nuts! <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
4. As for the tasting of formula, do you have a better short term solution? We did, and got Ph sampling kit's out to as many security points as we could. Most formula's are going to stay around the neutral side, explosives normally will go higher or lower, depending on the type.

Sorry if anyone here feels that their rights are being trampled upon by the big bad government. I'm not with TSA or even DHS, but I do help advise them in technical matters. One thing we are trying to do is save lives, if you don't like what we're doing, I'll bet there is a suggestion box somewhere near the screening point, come up with a better idea, that is doable, and we'll take it into consideration.

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Folks, I'm sorry, but I get a little P.O.'d when people want to be safe, but they don't want to be inconvenienced! I've been chasing these B!@#$%^s for fifteen years now, since long before "IED" and "terrorist cell" were used by the everyday American citizen. The liberal news media, Western Governments and yes, the America people ignored the problem when we tried to tell you. We've fought this war in the shadows far away from the suburbs and white picket fences since '72, and terrorism was just something that happened in other places and couldn't happen here!
Well guess what? It's here America, wake up and smell the TNT!
I agree that the only rules here are the only rules in a point blank gunfight! Kill them before they kill us! But I don't make policy, I just enforce it. If I did, the world would have a few hundred million less people on it. Maybe a good idea that I don't
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Sorry Martin, I just soapboxed all over your post. Nothing personal everybody. <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

A buddy of mine just took over training their worthless assed screeners in proper techniques last week. Let me tell you, he's in a ugly spot right now, he had to fly to DC this morning. Nobody would listen to what he had to say last week, this week seems to be a different story.

I agree with a bunch of you, I would prefer to fly armed as well (I do when I'm on the job). But think about all the dorks and gangbangers out there that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn from the inside with a pistol they have never fired...

Now make them very nervous, and put them on your plane!
<img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Personally, I put down about 200-300rds a week with my SIG, and I'll tell you, I'd feel pretty hesitant to take a shot on a crowded plane, how about the rest of you?

Folk's, this was to be a big hit, and the country is growing more and more complascent by the day. In my line of work, complacency kills!

Sorry if I stepped on any toes, I didn't mean to, but like I said, It's been a long day.

Mike
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#70970 - 08/10/06 11:26 PM Re: Flying Naked
Craig_phx Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 04/05/05
Posts: 715
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
When they start turning in their radical/violent members and denounce violence I might start taking anything they say as more than B.S..
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#70971 - 08/11/06 12:02 AM Re: Just a technical Update
7k7k99 Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 06/01/05
Posts: 375
Loc: Ohio
there are certainly more people in the know than me, but it has occurred to me that this was probably a diversion. It may have been a legitimate terrorist plan, but these guys generally don't get caught unless they want to get caught. Everyone is now tied up looking at airports and searching passengers. What else is going on now that is receiving little or no attention now that the world's attention has been diverted to this 'plot?' The terror masters have said all along that they want the next attack to eclipse 9-11 in a big way. I think with all these so-called experts and politicians patting themselves on the back for stopping what they think is "THE BIG ONE" may be very surprised when the nukes start going off. I think we should be very concerned what with chasing missing Egyptian students and other assorted little fish, we may be missing the real target.

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#70972 - 08/11/06 12:58 AM Re: Flying Naked
ratbert42 Offline
Member

Registered: 05/31/06
Posts: 178
Loc: Florida
I imagine the next step is to restrict the usage of the in-flight lavatories. Soon the aircrew will have to give you a pat-down before you can go and they'll pop open the door if you're in there for more than 180 seconds.

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#70973 - 08/11/06 01:40 AM Re: Flying Naked
widget Offline
Addict

Registered: 07/06/03
Posts: 550
Well said! I suppose that means no Casio digital watches, or any quartz watch, as they are elecronic and have a battery in them too.
The problem is really that a simple few have cost us many dollars and many freedoms. They need not be forgiven, they need a simple solution which I shall leave to your imaginations.
I won't fly anywhere any more. It is just not worth the hassle.
When I first started flying all you needed was a ticket, no ID, no searches and it was something you dressed up for and felt like royalty and were treated like royalty. It is now like a trip on a Mexican rural bus, only thing missing are the chickens. Heck, even a Mexican bus is less hassle!
I will never, ever sacrifice my 1961 model P-38 for any air trip, anywhere!! Cheers!
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