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#70944 - 08/10/06 03:11 PM Re: Flying Naked
Malpaso Offline
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Registered: 09/12/05
Posts: 817
Loc: MA
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this sort of terrorism cannot work, because it has no clear aims.

The only aim of terrorism is to cause terror. It has certainly done that. If a few people decide not to fly anymore, this event has worked as terror already.

I personally will not give in to terrorists by allowing them to alter my lifestyle.
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#70945 - 08/10/06 03:27 PM Re: Flying Naked
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Registered: 07/09/05
Posts: 11
Loc: Winston-Salem, NC
Remember the movie "Amistad" and the accomodations on the slave ships? I am convinced that the airlines and the authorities will not be content until we are stripped, restrained and stored similarly whenever we have the misfortune of traveling by air. Oh, and they will still charge us several hundred dollars for the privilege. At least on Pentathol Airways one will have no memory of the event!

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#70946 - 08/10/06 03:27 PM Re: Flying Naked
ironraven Offline
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Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 4642
Loc: Vermont
I don't normally self reply, but this is too good to miss.

Apparently the flights aren't being allowed to load beverages, and the crews are being required to dump thier boxed meals. Someone is either really enjoying themselves or there is a security hole big enough to sneak a tank through.

Hmmm.......
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#70947 - 08/10/06 03:47 PM Re: Flying Naked
bigreddog Offline
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Registered: 07/02/06
Posts: 253
The OBJECT of terrorism is not terror. The TOOL of terrorism is terror.

The object is the same as all warfare - the pursuit of political ends by other means.

By all means don't allow them to disrupt your daily life - I applaud these simple acts of defiance we can,and should, all perform.

But Al-Queada doesn't really care how many people fly, use spanish trains or dance in Balinese nightclubs. They care about people seeing their acts and driving our response towards, for example, western interests in the mid-east.

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#70948 - 08/10/06 03:53 PM Re: Flying Naked
harrkev Offline
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Registered: 09/05/01
Posts: 384
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO
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It definitely worked with me. Given the choice of driving and taking an airliner, I take my truck. My EDC backpack is with me, and my laptop sits on the passenger seat. I get to take lots of toys, cooler and firearms are in the back of the truck. End of the month I go on vacation too; I'll be driving three days instead of flying three hours. These days I feel naked flying.

Unfortunately, my tactic won't work for most folks, but if I was going on vacation from Florida to Idaho with children, I'd consider renting a motorhome or at least a good size van and take whatever stuff I need. Spoken by a guy who's never driven long distances with young kids.


My strong preference is to drive (master of my own destiny and all that stuff). But, that would be three days there and three days back. Since I can only afford to take a week off, I would spend six days on the road for a one-day vacation. I also don't have a vehicle with less than 120,000 miles on it, and can't afford to rent much of anything. Plus, when you throw in hotels and meals for the trip, it gets expensive fast.

Anywhoo... Terrorists can never take away our freedom. The politicians are taking care of that for them.
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#70949 - 08/10/06 03:59 PM Re: Flying Naked
massacre Offline
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Registered: 12/07/05
Posts: 781
Loc: Central Illinois
Looks like we've REALLY learned our lesson and spent those countless billions (on no-bid contracts I'm sure) wisely. As I've stated and I'm sure many here already know, the TSA is there to LOOK like it's serving a purpose, but the only thing it does is cause endless grief.

They implemented techniques like the TSA to whitewash the nightmare of security that they should have been fixing. Now we see that we will be reduced to mindless numbers with no rights when we board a flight. I think it's time someone holds these folks accountable. Where are the X-Ray scanners for checked baggage and many other promised security improvements? This should be a non-issue at this point, certainly for an international hub like Heathrow. Security hole big enough to steer an oil tanker through I'd say.
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#70950 - 08/10/06 04:12 PM Re: Flying Naked
cedfire Offline
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Registered: 07/10/03
Posts: 659
Loc: Orygun
Thanks for the tips on protecting laptops. I'm sure there is an upcoming flight in my near future and the information will come in handy. (That Pentathol Airways spoof was great!)

The more I see of this, the more I realize that the terrorists single aim is this: kill innocent people.

Sure, they want a one-world order and religion based on Muslim fanaticism, but I doubt they would stop killing at that point.

And I agree, TSA "security" is a joke. There are too many loopholes and possibilities. We need a tougher stance and more action against terrorism, IMO. The only way they are going to stop killing us is if we kill them first.

Okay, on to that second cup of coffee... <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#70951 - 08/10/06 04:25 PM Re: Flying Naked
Leigh_Ratcliffe Offline
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Registered: 03/31/06
Posts: 1355
Loc: United Kingdom.
The objective of terrorism is to terrify - Lenin.
As a British Subject I am not a liberty to discuss the whys and where's of the operation. I will say, however, that most British Muslims, irrispective of their feeling about the war in Iraq or the Israeli/Hizbolla war, do not and never would countenance such acts of murder. Be thankfull for that.
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#70952 - 08/10/06 05:17 PM Re: Flying Naked
ChristinaRodriguez Offline
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Registered: 02/24/03
Posts: 324
Loc: Rhode Island
So a lactating mother who is carrying around baggies of BREAST milk must drink her own lactations to prove it? Isn't that kind of.... weird?

What can we do? Not fly anymore? Pay through the nose on gas driving our cars? We're losing no matter what we do.
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#70953 - 08/10/06 05:38 PM Re: Flying Naked
311 Offline
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Registered: 03/12/06
Posts: 285
Loc: NY USA
The WTC terrorists did way more damage than just the bldgs & lives. They couldn't have done a better job of costing us money & destroying our rights if they had tried.

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