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#57164 - 01/02/06 01:00 AM Re: survival priority list - what would you take?
Nicodemus Offline
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I thought I should clarify the point about the water. Salt water is heavier than fresh water so the container should stay relatively close to the surface even if it's full. However, if it is in an a barrel any pushing or pulling is probably going to cause water to ride over the surface and cause it to submerge somewhat.

The same goes with the Fuel. Depending on type, it will more than likely be lighter than saltwater.

Either way, both will act like a sea anchor and make that mile of swimming rough.

25 liters of water is about 6.6 gallons, so a container big enough to carry that is going to cause a lot of drag in the water. If you add the 2.6 gallon container of fuel, and other equipment as well...

Anyway, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that this seems to be set up as a pretty tricky question if you think about the logistics.

I'm assuming the boat is going down faster than it would take to improvise a raft.

Can you provide the list in the form of an essay with different scenarios? LOL
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#57165 - 01/02/06 02:47 AM Re: survival priority list - what would you take?
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If you are going to a dissertated tropical island, you may want to consider taking a word processor and an English professor to read your dissertation.

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#57166 - 01/02/06 06:50 AM Re: survival priority list - what would you take?
Susan Offline
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What would the sextant be for? If you're only a mile from an island, I would hope you would already have some idea where you are. Ditto the map.

What's the gasoline for? Can't see why you would need it. Ditto the rum -- pointless.

Shark powder? I doubt you've got a mile's worth!

Wrap all the other stuff (except the water) in the plastic and attach it to the flotation device, then push all toward the island.

Sue

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#57167 - 01/02/06 04:26 PM Re: survival priority list - what would you take?
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guys - i keep getting wiser ... <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />)

just for the record its a theoretical question ! Not practical. I don't know anymore about the articles than you do. Just whats mentioned in the list. And yes - i agree some are not CLEAR.

So based on that - would this priority list make sense - to grab before the ship sinks??!! Most important first!

1) Floating device (Approved by US Coast Guard) - damn long swim better make sure i float - might be a current

2) box of army survival supplies - i presume the essentials for survival are in here - ?!

3) 25-litres water canister with water - i take a little water out so it will float by itself

4) 2 chocolate bars - food (can last a long time if taken in small portions - easy to swim with)

5) Shaving mirror - signal and easy to take along and swim

6) nontransparent plastic cloth - to make shelter - catch water - signal

7) 3 m nylon line - for the shelter but because i need to swim with the rest of the items - i need the line (together with the plastic cloth i can improvise a bouy

8) Fishing equipment - my plan for if i'm stuck long term - eat fish (LOL)

9) Sextant - if i'm not going traveling pull it apart - lenses - have a sharp object - etc (i presume fire starters are in the survival box)

10) Mosquito net - handy for sleeping. fishing, catching stuff

11) Small transistor radio (with sufficient batteries)

12) 1 liter of Puerto Rican rum (80%) - start a fire, disinfect

13) Nautical Map over the Pacific Ocean - only long term planning might involve traveling away

14) 10-litre canister with oil based gasoline - sure nice for a fire or signal but bulky to swim with.

15) Shark Powder - i don't think sharks are that big a risk


This is my priority list - RIPE IT APART GUYS - what would you place higher / lower up on the list?

cheers cloie



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#57168 - 01/02/06 05:21 PM Re: survival priority list - what would you take?
urbansurvivalist Offline
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Registered: 11/27/05
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Loc: Asheville, NC
I'd put the sextant, map, and shark powder last. The first two are almost useless unless you plan on building a raft and trying to find civilization, and chances are you don't know how to use the sextant anyway. The shark powder is even more useless. As far as I know a transistor radio refers to a radio that can only receive, not transmit radio signals. If this is correct, then it's only possible use is to start fires, unless you have a degree in electrical engineering(and you probably wouldn't be able to make a working transmitter in the proper range and frequency anyway).

I'd put the chocolate bars lower on the list, other items on the list such as the fishing kit would be much more useful in the long run.

The army supplies probably contain some fishing items, but that depends on the kit, and the more fishing supplies the better. Since it's the only item on the list that probably contain matches or another firestarter, I agree with it's priority on the list. However I wouldn't say that it has all the essentials, or even close to that.

I'd put the 10 liters of fuel a bit higher on the list - 10 liters is a lot, and it can help start fires if used carefully, in addition to being used for signal fires. This is especially important with limited fire supplies and likely someone inexperienced with creating fires in the wilderness.

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#57169 - 01/02/06 06:59 PM Re: survival priority list - what would you take?
Susan Offline
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If you don't have medical assistance and supplies with you, I certainly wouldn't try to start a fire with gasoline! ESPECIALLY if you aren't familiar with starting fires to begin with. Burns are something you don't need in a survival situation, and could conceivably kill you, an awful, agonizing death.

Whenever I see guys trying to start a fire with gasoline, I figure they're future Darwin Award recipients. If a person can't start a fire without gasoline, they probably shouldn't be allowed to play with fire at all.

Sue

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#57170 - 01/02/06 07:50 PM Re: survival priority list - what would you take?
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Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 1784
Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA
Quote:
- Shark Powder (fending off sharks)


Such powder never worked to begin with. This is a joke. This stuff is straight out of a 1940s movie, one of the bad ones. The gear seems only about 60 years out of date.

Just who the devil is dreaming this stuff up? I'm waiting for the punchline.

-- Craig

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#57171 - 01/02/06 09:44 PM Re: survival priority list - what would you take?
urbansurvivalist Offline
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Registered: 11/27/05
Posts: 127
Loc: Asheville, NC
I disagree. In a survival situation fire is extremely valuable, and based on the items in this list, firemaking supplies are very limited. Keep in mind that in this scenario the survivor would have just swam a mile, and despite being a tropical island, hypothermia is still a possibility. It also could be night time and raining, since time of day and weather was not specified. Even in perfect conditions, finding proper tinder can be difficult if you're not experienced in wilderness firemaking, and most poeple aren't.

Soaking a small amound of the fuel, whatever it is(oil based gasoline?!) in some grass, leaves, a pice of fabric, or even dirt would make it much easier to get a fire going, and would have minimal risk if a little common sense is used.

Survival gear is all about having options you wouldn't otherwise have. Personally, I'd much rather have the option.

And having medical gear shouldn't make any difference about your decision to use fuel. There's not much that even the best FAK can do for burns, especially major ones. If you think getting burned is a likely outcome, then you shouldn't be doing it.

As far as the Darwin award goes, chances are someone in this situation, without a life raft, survival kit, or plan, not to mention the sinking boat is likely a candidate anyway. Of course starting a fire with gasoline is stupid in normal situations, but I think we can all agree that things are a bit different in a survival situation.

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#57172 - 01/02/06 11:10 PM Re: survival priority list - what would you take?
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Registered: 12/23/05
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Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, USA
Or, the "oil based gasoline" might be the ONLY fuel source on the island. We just assume that things will be growing there that we can burn. What if it is just a lump of sand?
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#57173 - 01/03/06 03:04 AM Re: survival priority list - what would you take?
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
If so, you're probably going to die anyway. Like money, you can't drink it or eat it.

Sue

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